Making Double Cording

[baileyuph]

Do most of you cover manually or use a folder?

I have a couple folders but now with the thinner fabrics, I can't use them.  Which will probably lead to another custom folder. ::)

Paul (MiniUph) described his manual method, which I am practicing, but I tend to pull the fabric too tight. 

Doyle

[kodydog]

I feed the material into the double welt feet manually. With thin fabric I'll make a small sample and test it to see if it gets the job done. If not then I'll use a slightly thicker cording. I always thought tight was good, in cording.  :)

[lc]

I do mine manually also,,but in the case of thin fabrics I double the fabric or us another liner to thicken it up a bit,
Do the folders work on any industrial machine ? I have a Juki 1500 N...Umm I can't remembber if it an NC but whatever the case .,it would be nice but may not be feesable as per cost for the amount of times I make double welt
It can be frustrating at times.

[MinUph]

Do most of you cover manually or use a folder?

I have a couple folders but now with the thinner fabrics, I can't use them.  Which will probably lead to another custom folder. ::)

Paul (MiniUph) described his manual method, which I am practicing, but I tend to pull the fabric too tight. 

Doyle

  Hey Doyle,
  Hows it coming? Pulling the fabric to tight is something I don't understand. The tighter the better. BTW since explaining this back then I was shown another way by the seamstress at our shop. She does it just the opposite and places the folds under, not on top. I must say hers looks better than mine. Hers gets the groove to lay in nicer. She doesn't use dbl cord, just two pcs of single cord and she will fold the left side under and around the second cord on the right side then fold the right side of the fabric under. The end product has a double thickness of fabric on one side but it really unnoticeable. I haven't tried it yet but hers comes out very nice.

[lc]

I would like to see her method it sounds interesting..any new tricks to it would be good to see. and yes the tighter the better ..your fingers should be cramping after a bit ,thats what makes a nice looking double welt

[baileyuph]

Thanks a bunch Paul, let us know how you come out. 

This issue of tightness, in perspective, if one doesn't cut on a bias, pull baby pull.  But, then cut on a bias and see what it will do, it will show there are limits to the amount of pull because it will narrow the fabric. 

For clarification, my welt cord covered manually is coming out nice but the problem is time required.  I go so slow.  When the fabric is the right thickness for my folder, the welt comes out perfect and I am done very quickly.  At the expense of buying some custom folders, that would be the way to go. 

I have examined factory double cording and it isn't pulled extremely tight, which believe it or not will turn corners very nicely.  Plus, my folder doesn't over pull the fabric and it looks nice and does corners well.  So, pulling tight is relative, how tight is tight and when does it exceed practical purposes.  With bias fabric, like I said above, if you keep pulling the welt will get very narrow and the finished width shows a variance.  That is an advantage of the folder, consistant pull.

Will a folder fit different machines, my experience is a yes, some you may have to drill and tap but I have never had to.

My experience in flipping the overlap over like your lady does is both ways work.  Her luck doing it her way may be a function of thread tension.  But, with an even tension on both threads, I find both ways work.  Her way and your way.  Let me know what you learn Paul.

Again, speed with the manual method is my biggest challenge.  Maybe that problem is due mostly to the think flimsy fabrics we seem to be using more of these days.

Doubling the fabric, could be a good idea, something else to try.

Thanks for all the input,

Doyle

[sofadoc]

I really like the double welt feet set on the left better than the more traditional set on the right:


The set on the left gives me the perfect seperation between the 2 cords. Not too far away for gluing, not too close for stapling between the rows. I got them from one of those E-bay stores.

[gene]

Mr. Sof A. Doc,

I have the double welt feet on the left that I run on my Juki LU 562. Please no comments about the size of my bobbin.

Do you run the set on the left on a straight stitch machine? I don't see how this set of the left can operate on a compound needle feed sewing machine.

I do have a similar type foot on the left for my straight stitch machine.

Thank you,

gene

[sofadoc]

Mr. G.E. Ne:
Both sets in the pic are made to run on a 562, 563, 1508, or any other Singer 111W compatible machine. I use them on my 1508 (which takes all the same feet as the 562).

I have the double welt feet on the left that I run on my Juki LU 562.

Did you mean to say
RIGHT?

Here's the set on E-bay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WALKING-FOOT-DOUBLE-WELT-PIPING-FEET-S85-/180522556609?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item6fc2705817

[baileyuph]

The feet on the left and the feet on the right are for the same machine(s), all walking feet.

Non walkers, they only use a pressure foot, right Gene?  Isn't that the type of machine you are calling straight stitch?

Any who, the feet on the left, I will echo what Dennis said, they work fine.  The feet on the right work fine.  To clarify, I have both, one primary difference is the needle foot, between the two sets.  Actually, the feet on the left, I have in two sizes, !/4 in. and a smaller pair, probably a 3/16th in.?  Need to check on that size to be sure. 

Actually, the feet on the left enable me to sew manually just a little faster. 

I suppose the question of speed should be run by you pros as well, what about your manual speed?  Fairly fast?  If so, any secrets would be appreciated.

Here lately, I have had a lot of double welt requirements, maybe furniture business, traditional type, is just picking up?

Doyle

[gene]

Top 3 reasons I get my left and right mixed up:
1. I don't wear any jewelry and I have no tattoos to distinguish between my left and my right hand. They look like mirror images of each other.
2. I'm bad with math.

Yes, I did mean to say "right". I actually just got it, looking at the ebay picture again. The needle goes through the hole and the needle and this entire double welt cord foot moves up, forward, down, back, up, etc. Correct?

I have the feet on the right. I did not notice the hole for the needle in the foot on the left until now.

The double welt cord feet I have for by non walking foot is not like the one on the left in the picture.

By straight stitch I did mean a non walker. My juki LU562 is a compound walking foot with needle feed and my Zoji 8500 is the same thing as a Juki 8500 non walking machine.

Thank you for the reply. I will give the one on the left a try for my Juki lu 562.

gene

[baileyuph]

That will be good to hear how it works out Gene.  The 562 is a very good machine and I bet the feet will work fine.  I will be interested to learn your technique, maybe I can pick up speed.

I am trying to manually cover the cord in one pass and consistently keep the wrap under the same tension.  From observation, different tensions on the wrap will vary the finished cord with.  My speed picks up with the feet you are about to try ifthe sewing is done in two passes and actually doesn't look so bad.  In spite of sewing in the two passes, like I said, each pass is much faster, enough to be faster than sewing one pass. 

Given money and time to burn, the way to go is to have a folder calibrated for the materials and cord size being covered.  Obviously, this is the engineering factories implement.  They are so efficient, a comparison of their cost to our cost in terms of labor is revealing.

It will be interesting to hear your response, in doing slips, I guess your double cord requirements are relatively small, like mine?  I think, at this point, my home work is to further try a couple things in terms of passes and with which feed.  Time is money, meaning being able to accomplish anything without a compromise in quality can become significant. 


Doyle

[sofadoc]

When I have some fabric that's being a little cantankerous, I do the 2 pass method. I sew the first pass with my regular 1/4" welt foot. Then I switch to the double welt feet (on the left side of my photo above) for the second pass. It may be a little slower that way, but I'm not too terribly concerned about maximizing my production time anymore.

[Mike]

Doyle youve seen how i make cording i use no folder or feet even but somtimes oulling the material sill streach unevenly and be offset and wrinkle. Ive found it i have a vinyl it ls all i use thst tend to act this way if i lifhtly spray yhe backside then when infold it by hand it holds even before i stitch  it