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Title: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Peppy on February 16, 2011, 06:39:24 pm
I have two boats right now that use the same type of push plug fasteners. You know what I'm talking about? This type of thing-

http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/PANEL_CLIPS_REPLACEMENT_WHITE_FOR_INTERIOR_TRIM_AND_PANELS_p_1697.html

But I need the double ended kind. That go in a hole in the side pad and a hole in the boat and have a little ring half way. (I'll get a picture if I'm not making sense.) I'm going to need a dozen or more but haven't been able to source them. I can't get behind the pad and can't screw from the front. I have some of another type but they aren't long enough to go through the plywood then into the boat. I've stolen enough from the one boat to finish the other boat but I don't think thats going to pay off as a long term strategy. What else is there? Sticky tape?
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: SHHR on February 17, 2011, 03:53:13 am
I'm doing a baja 180 right now with those type and also no luck finding them. A few years ago, installing some customer bought Rod Doors door panels I was introduced to a fastener in the door panel kit that may work for you. It's by 3M and called Dual Lock. It's best described as Velcro times 1000. Instead of hook and loop it has little T-shaped posts that push together also the glue used to hold each piece on is phenominal. It's hard to find, but you can do a search I think on the 3M website and maybe even purchase it there in rolls, It's not cheap either,but If you have a Radio Shack near by most of them carry it in a small bubble pack of like 3" x 5" squares and they also use a different name than Dual Lock too.
Anothe thing I've done was to buy some extra long univeral Christmas tree fasteners from an auto parts store and cut the head off. usually the shank is long enough to grip both pieces.
Kyle
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: stew-cheryl on February 17, 2011, 04:17:15 am
Mcmaster- carr
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: fingers on February 17, 2011, 04:35:46 am


Not sure if these are the correct size but seem to be the style your after : Au-ve-co part # 20762

Picked these up at CMK, a trim shop supplier here in the Tampa Bay area
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: JuneC on February 17, 2011, 06:32:46 am
I just bought two boxes of those things - double ended, 1/4" hole required - about 6 months ago.  I ordered them online.  I'll try later to see where I got them.  Right now I don't remember.  As I recall, they were expensive.  I might have gotten them off eBay.

June

Found them...  These were what I got.  Pretty similar dimensions to the 20762 mentioned above.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/25-DOUBLE-END-XMAS-TREE-RETAINERS-11-32-STEM-DIAM-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem41568525c1QQitemZ280624440769QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: fragged8 on February 17, 2011, 11:19:11 am
if i want them in the UK i go to an Auto body shop
or a supplier of auto paints, glues etc  they usually have them.

Rich
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Miami Mike on February 17, 2011, 01:20:30 pm
http://www.miamicorp.com/products/SHOP%20SUPPLIES%20@@26%20TOOLS/FASTENERS/TRIM%20@@2f%20DOOR%20PANEL%20CLIPS/CHRISTMAS%20TREE%20CLIPS.aspx


All you need..... we have tons to choose from...
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Mike8560 on February 17, 2011, 03:23:07 pm
Is rather use the.  Z clips more secure and tighter fit to rhe boat.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: fragged8 on February 17, 2011, 03:37:09 pm
Hey it's Miami Mike, not seen much of you lately ?
How have you been ?

Rich
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Peppy on February 17, 2011, 05:30:20 pm
Thanks all!

Kyle- I've heard of that stuff and seen it in catalogues. Nice to know that it works. But I need something that will 'draw' in the pad. Squish the welt, like. I'll keep it in mind for the future...

Rich- Car Quest has everything but. I did find some that may be long enough to go through the wood and they might fit the hole.

Miami Mike- You also have everything but. Thanks though! Do you ship to Canada?

Mike- Whats a Z clip?

June- Huzzah! Thats the one! You win the prize! Sadly, the prize is only my respect and admiration. While your here I have to say thank you for the seam-tape-for-hydum-gimp trick. I think it was you? Awesome. I hardly even hate making it now. Your 2 boxes of respect and admiration are in the mail!

Just for fun, if you were making side pads from scratch and had complete freedom to fasten them any way you wanted (but blind, mind. No screws through the face) how would you guys do it?
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: JuneC on February 17, 2011, 05:43:21 pm
Quote from: Peppy on February 17, 2011, 05:30:20 pm
While your here I have to say thank you for the seam-tape-for-hydum-gimp trick. I think it was you?


Nope, can't take credit for that one.  I think it was Bobbin or Darren. 

As for my "ideal" method of attachment?  I'd say "Z" clips, but not the 1/2" offset type that go through a hole in the backer board.  I like the skinny ones that go through a strap screwed to the back of the board.  I haven't found a source for them yet.  Contender uses them on their mega-center consoles (the ones with the 25+ foot long coaming bolsters). 

June
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Peppy on February 17, 2011, 06:16:49 pm
Quote from: JuneC on February 17, 2011, 05:43:21 pm
Nope, can't take credit for that one.  I think it was Bobbin or Darren. 


Oh. Well never mind then. I'll just leave my respect and admiration in a box by the door. If anyone needs any they can help themselves.


Quote from: JuneC on February 17, 2011, 05:43:21 pm
As for my "ideal" method of attachment?  I'd say "Z" clips, but not the 1/2" offset type that go through a hole in the backer board.  I like the skinny ones that go through a strap screwed to the back of the board.  I haven't found a source for them yet.  Contender uses them on their mega-center consoles (the ones with the 25+ foot long coaming bolsters). 


I've never seen a Z clip. I feel like I'm missing out on something. Oh wait 25' long bolsters. I'll just be content with my ignince.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Mike8560 on February 18, 2011, 03:44:05 am
I don't ha s a linl or pix peppy but a z clip is a metal piece that is screwed to the boat shaped lime a z the one end acts like a hook and points up the bolster has a hole sgategily ppased that when  it is hooked on the clip through the hole in the boster board it slides down into place youadjusted propely the pad is pulled in tight. You can the. Pia screw is to gold it down I've seen then put in through the vinyl in the botto
  In a fold hidden. I've also seen little tabs that extent down from the back of the pad 1/2" to do the same thng.  I havn seen the clips that June mentioned where she hasn't found a source.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: JuneC on February 18, 2011, 06:23:22 am
Here's one type.
  http://www.monarchmetal.com/pages/panelclip.html

"French cleats" are another similar idea, but I don't like that they can slide fore/aft.  I'd prefer a 1/8" offset clip, but the part you mount on the boat, rather than being a "cleat" hanger, is a 1" wide aluminum strap that you screw in on each end.  It has a 1/8" bump-out that accepts the tab of the clip.  This prevents any right/left slipping, but in order to keep the bolster down into place, there's usually a small notch in the backer board and a tab with screw holes on each end, attached to the board, and to the gunwale.  You have to push back the vinyl on the underside at the cut-out in order to see the screw head.

June
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Mike8560 on February 18, 2011, 07:52:20 am
June have you used thoose monach clips.  It looks like they would hold the panel out farther then the type with a hole in the panel.
For peppy I've also installed pad like this by installing in the boat aarge headed screw maybe 3 on a bolstery a few feet long rather then z clips. In the bolster drill a hole the size of the screw shaft   I forgot you have to not install the screw in tight leaving the hea sticking out a bit.   
Not on the bolster back below the hole you just drilled drill a larger hole may e an inch lower large enough for the screw head to fit through. Now cut a slot from the center of the large hole to the small hole   Not the bolster can be fit over the screw in the larrge hole and slid down into place using the slot.  I call it a keyhole slot fitting.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Miami Mike on February 18, 2011, 09:07:58 am
Quote from: fragged8 on February 17, 2011, 03:37:09 pm
Hey it's Miami Mike, not seen much of you lately ?
How have you been ?

Rich



Been doing so many trade shows, I am still here....
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Peppy on February 18, 2011, 04:00:50 pm
Right on! Apparently I've seen Z clips before. I always called them Whojack-a-pivies. I found them on a carver a while back. Before that I thought I invented them when I had to hang a head board. They wouldn't really work on pads with 1/2" or 1/4" foam though. Thats predominantly the kind of pads I do.

Those monarch kind seem cool, but ya, whats the gap between the pad and the boat? And it wouldn't really draw the pad in/ squish the welt would it. I see there being gaps. I was looking at the Miami Mike ones from that other thread, they seem jazzy. And spendy. On their site they show them peppered on the panel. I wonder what 8 dozen cost?

I like that one Mike! The key hole slot thing, nice! I'll remember that one. Nice and low tech.

I'm a nut and bolt guy. If I can get my arm to the bolts I'll drill holes through the pad and the boat before I take the pad off. Then I like to use carriage bolts through the good side with a nut on the bad side. Stole that one from Searay. I like it more than the Tnut on the bad side stove bolt on the good side since it's smoother under the upholstery.

Everyone help yourself to some respect and admiration, helps patch leaky egos.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Mike8560 on February 18, 2011, 08:49:37 pm
Peppy we were doing a  cat deck boat awhile back and my brother had craweled. Down under rhe forward seats tonreach up and undo the nuts holding the backrests
on ( a hard feat being 6'7"  ) well he was reaching upblindly removing the nut and pit his hand on a hornets nest. I about laughed to death seeing hi
try to get out when they started  flying about.   
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Peppy on February 19, 2011, 06:47:45 am
I've had that happen to me too. Reach up under a pad and feel something move and see hornets drop out. Yikes! Nice thing about winter is I find way more dead hives than live ones.

Ever hear of cluster flies? Like house flies but they clump together to survive the winter. Like snakes I guess. Well I was taking a camper top off the frame and was undoing the zipper pockets and heaps of flies started falling out. It has early spring and I figured they were all dead. There were so many they were falling down my shirt and in my hair. Well with the heat of my breath and body they started coming alive, wriggling and buzzing in my shirt and ears *!!glugulrlruhhh!!* Disgusting. The guy I was working with started calling me a sissy and laughing at me 'cause I was screaming like a little girl. So it soon became his turn to get in and start screaming like a girl. Totally one of the creepiest, grossest bugs. Which is funny cause their just house flies, but when you put 100,000 of them in a boat top *!!glugulrlruhhh!!*
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Mike8560 on February 19, 2011, 11:49:34 am
He shoulld have got that on you tube peppy  lol.
Ever heard of them rhen a few months ago we were putting a mooring cover o a triumph center console the boat was on a lift raised up to clip some straps
under the hull right to left and he was sitting on The dock reaching under with a hook to pull the strap
u derand wrapedaround the cable pole above is head a snake fell off the lift and hit him on the neck falling.  Girly  time again. Lol.
I just laughed.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Miami Mike on February 21, 2011, 02:17:52 pm
Quote from: Peppy on February 17, 2011, 05:30:20 pm
Thanks all!

Miami Mike- You also have everything but. Thanks though! Do you ship to Canada?

Yes we do.
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Miami Mike on February 21, 2011, 02:44:38 pm
OKAY LAST ONE HERE IS THE DADDY LIST FOR THESE.

http://www.miamicorp.com/products/MANUFACTURER/AU-VECO/RETAINERS/X-MASTREE.aspx
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: JuneC on February 21, 2011, 03:27:08 pm
LOL!!!  :P  What's with that REALLY BIG ONE on Page 4? 

Nice collection there, but I still don't see # 20866. 

June
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Miami Mike on February 22, 2011, 05:27:12 am
Quote from: JuneC on February 21, 2011, 03:27:08 pm
LOL!!!  :P  What's with that REALLY BIG ONE on Page 4? 

Nice collection there, but I still don't see # 20866. 

June



Fixed, I saw that yesterday... you could see it good...
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: Peppy on February 22, 2011, 03:40:55 pm
I liked that one. Good value! Need only one for a whole side pad!
Title: Re: Christmas Tree Type Plug Fasteners
Post by: JuneC on February 22, 2011, 04:15:24 pm
Fer sure.   I thought maybe that type was for monster trucks or sumppin like that.

June