Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of walking feet with the gripping teeth on the bottom? My feet have smooth bottoms only. I notice when sewing a curved piece to a straighter piece that no matter how hard I try the top piece seems to get away from me just a little. This is not a speed issue - I can go very slowly - but it seems to be a slippage type issue maybe. This only happens when the top piece is quite a bit more curved than the bottom. I'm wondering if either I should increase the foot pressure, or maybe try the serrated foot. Thanks for any pointers.
increase? maybe DEcrease...
not quite sure what you mean, though. Is there welt already attached to one piece or the other? (try attaching it to the other piece)
have you clipped the welt and the straight piece before attaching it to the curved piece?
Need more info to help
Often slippage is due to insufficient presser foot tension or possibly a feed dog that's too low. But if you're experiencing no difficulty with control on straight seams and you're happy with the stitch length it's probably not the feed dog. A low feed dog can result in abnormally short stitches, esp. when working on loftier fabrics.
I typically only find the "serrated" bottoms on zipper feet for walking foot machines. And it makes sense when you think about it; to install a zipper you need to be able to put the presser foot close to the teeth of the zipper, and with a compound feed machine achieving that closeness means you're sacrificing 1/2 the presser foot surface, so the narrower feet are serrated for more "grab".
Also, I've noticed that it really does make sense to swap out the presser feet routinely... a welting set up will not give you the stablility and control a set of stock feet will, unless you're actually inserting welting in a seam.
Hope this helps.
Just to clarify - I am simply blind stitching two pieces of vinyl together face to face. No welting. Plain smooth bottom walking foot. I thought I have seen serrated bottoms on plain walking feet, but you're saying they only come on zipper feet?
No, I'm not saying that. I've only seen serrated feet on zipper feet, but they're probably available on other feet, as well.
I suspect you need to adjust the pressure on the presser feet; you shouldn't experience a lot of slippage joining 2 layers of vinyl together.
Years ago, I aquired several walking foot machines from a local factory that closed. Some of them had the welt feet with the serrated bottoms. Every one of them had been ground smooth (on purpose, not just due to wear).
I would think that you would risk scuffing vinyl with them.
My old singer had sedated feet before they wore down almost smoothe. My new juku when I bought it also did I dint use a welt foot when I make my piping I just ride my foot ion top
of the welt The new sedated teeth scuffed the vinyl so I filed them down smoth.
Quotealso did I dint use a welt foot when I make my piping I just ride my foot ion top
of the welt
Mike, you make welt without a welt foot, I can't visualize that; zipper foot is used a lot but flat feet used to made a welt. That act would be interesting to watch.
Obviously, it works, your work is very good.
If you ever think about it, show a picture of that one Mike.
Doyle
I have done it before too Doyle. But I admit you need to hold your work tight against the side of the foot and control your fabric well.
I will do it if I need a short piece of welt sewed ( to lazy to change feet ). If I am going to sew long ( or numerous ) pieces I swap out the feet.
I bet Mike has been doing it this way for so long that he has it down to perfection. Like I said I have done it but it takes a lot of focus and you typically have to slow down. I prefer the welt foot myself but as I indicated above, I do get a little lazy now and then and wont swap out my feet for short runs. :)
Chris
Quote from: DB on September 25, 2010, 08:14:53 pm
Quotealso did I dint use a welt foot when I make my piping I just ride my foot ion top
of the welt
Mike, you make welt without a welt foot, I can't visualize that; zipper foot is used a lot but flat feet used to made a welt. That act would be interesting to watch.
Obviously, it works, your work is very good.
If you ever think about it, show a picture of that one Mike.
Doyle
doyle the left toe rides on top while the center toe tucks the vinyl down tight
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Excellent demo Mike, I can see what you do. Your filler core for the cord must be the hard plastic; but even at that rate it is amazing that you can ride down the top of the cord so accurately.
I am going to try that on one of my machines with the flat feet. Let you know what happens.
Doyle
Well, I can see that it works. But, is there any advantage to it? I mean, can you keep it straighter, or something? I know that sometimes when I'm sewing 5/32 fiberflex welt with a 1/4 welt foot, the seam rides away from the cord if I don't watch it.
Are you using plastic welt? What size? It seems like it would mash down 5/32 fiberflex. How about when you sew the welt to another panel? Do you use that foot with cloth as well as vinyl?
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, but I'm always willing to try something different.
Like Doyle, I'm gonna give it a spin tomorrow. I'm also curious about how it'll turn corners on a boxed cushion.
Your work speaks for itself, so there must be something to it.
Quote from: go_hercules on September 23, 2010, 08:44:35 pm
Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of walking feet with the gripping teeth on the bottom? My feet have smooth bottoms only. I'm wondering if either I should increase the foot pressure, or maybe try the serrated foot. Thanks for any pointers.
Although the serrated feet might give more grip it's my experience that it could too easily mar the finish (leave marks) on vinyls and some fabrics. Increasing pressure slightly might be the answer if you are continually encountering this problem.
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Sofa I use 5/32 poly foam welt. Ive never tried a welt foot I just started making some one day along time ago when i first started sewing. I didnt have a foot and I dont think id like changing feet all the time. heres a question. After I make my welt I see it to my top plate the sew my boxing to the top plate and welt do you a welt foot for all theese steps? I've never had any trouble tuning straight as inuse my fingers as a guide while sewing.
Mike: Yes, I use a welt foot for all 3 steps. I tried sewing welt with a regular foot today, but all I have is fiberflex (tissue) welt, so the foot really flattened it out. I can see where it would work better with foam welt. My 1/4 welt foot has a smooth bottom, so I can usually do plain hemming without changing it.
doing marine ive never tried the fiberflex but I can see where it would smash it flat.
I have all sorts of different feet for all 4 of my single needle machines; they're all specifically designed for different operations; anything from inserting welting in seams, scroll hemming, shirring, zipper insertions, felling, etc.. I don't think twice about swapping out the feet to make an operation easier and faster. Often, when I'm at my job I open the drawer of the machine I normally use only to realize that the foot I'd like to use does not exist in that shop... suggestions to purchase one are met with resistance... "we don't need that, I've never used one and never needed one". ???
OK, we used to start cars by turning a crank on the front of the motor, too... but electronic ignition sure is nice!
Admittedly, I've always been fascinated by machinery and attachments, and I do think you get more exposure to the huge variety when you work in garment manufacturing, where speed in production is the name of the game. But any shop can benefit from the judicious addition of some of those time savers.
Quote from: bobbin on October 04, 2010, 04:02:00 am
I have all sorts of different feet for all 4 of my single needle machines; they're all specifically designed for different operations; anything from inserting welting in seams, scroll hemming, shirring, zipper insertions, felling, etc.. I don't think twice about swapping out the feet to make an operation easier and faster. Often, when I'm at my job I open the drawer of the machine I normally use only to realize that the foot I'd like to use does not exist in that shop... suggestions to purchase one are met with resistance... "we don't need that, I've never used one and never needed one". ???
OK, we used to start cars by turning a crank on the front of the motor, too... but electronic ignition sure is nice!
Admittedly, I've always been fascinated by machinery and attachments, and I do think you get more exposure to the huge variety when you work in garment manufacturing, where speed in production is the name of the game. But any shop can benefit from the judicious addition of some of those time savers.
Bobbin,
I've heard your disappointment with your job on several occasions. I wonder how people who think there is only one way (their way) of doing things, ever make any progress with their business?? Don't you wonder how much better they could do, if they were just a little more open to new ideas?
I would hate to work for someone as closed minded as your boss. I'm always open to a better, easier, faster way of doing something. I imagine most of us on here are, or we wouldn't be here to start with.
I hung out at a local upholstery shop for a while and helped for free to get some exposure to upholstery. One day I was telling one of the owners about my servo motor. He had no clue of what one was or how it was different than a clutch motor! And he grew up in the business with him and his brother working with their father, who started the business.
I gave him Keystone's contact info because he was interested in replacing a motor that was in bad need of replacing. His brother attended a show somewhere and let a salesman talk him into buying another clutch motor. My guess is either the salesman was unaware of good servos, or he had some old clutch motors he wanted to unload. He was convinced that the servo wouldn't hold up in a full time upholstery shop setting! ???
I just gave up and realized I could learn more on here from you guys. ;D
And if I haven't said it in a while, thanks to everyone on here for being so open and sharing your knowledge. I have learned so much from all of you.
I can't imagine thinking that I knew so much that I quit looking at new ways of thinking and doing. I'm so glad that everyone on here is willing to share their way of doing things....fo ALL of us to learn from each other.
Bobby, when the day comes that I can't learn at least one new thing from someone with whom I work it'll be time for me to quit working in this trade. I echo your thoughts on the great tips and suggestions offered here. Some, I already knew, others were a slight twist on something I knew but that "twist" was brilliant and made something tricky a bit easier for me. And others have been things I'd never even remotely considered but have adopted because they were so clever. Yes, indeed, thanks are in order.
People who genuinely enjoy what they do for living and give a -hit about the results they produce are usually curious people who have their ego in proper perspective and aren't threatened by someone else's suggestions/observations. The reality of those who "play in the boss's sandbox" is that you have to do it their way if they insist on it. So I do, but believe you me! when I do things in my own shop I do them very differently. ::)
I love specialized feet, and have a boatload of snap-on feet for my domestic machine. But, my industrial is a walking foot, and I HATE changing the feet. >:( So... I basically do everything with a welt foot. ::)
This is going a little off topic, but... Sam Sloan (Sloan Machinery) in Massachusetts invented a quick-change device that holds up to three feet on your straight-stitch industrial machine -- ready to drop into place. Can't remember the cost, but it wasn't much.
I will add that I don't really love swapping out feet on my walking foot machine, either, Dede. But I have suffered the "learning curve" and can now do it no time flat. And I really like having the increased capability to use the zipper foot on either the right or the left.
When I purchsed my needle feed single needle some years ago I had to rethink the whole presser foot thing... I went from a drop feed machine to a needle feed and that has consequences for presser feet. All presser feet must have a slot to accomodate the action of the needle bar and the feed dog arrangement makes certain feet awkward; esp. those that are designed to be strongly "sided" to the right or the left. I would like to revisit this issue because for many operations I prefer the lighter duty aspect of my straight needle feed machine to the beefier walking foot machine. And I've been spoiled enough that I have NO desire to dust off the trusty Singer 31-15 any time soon, lol.
Quote from: bobbin on November 11, 2010, 12:07:05 pmWhen I purchsed my needle feed single needle some years ago I had to rethink the whole presser foot thing...
I should clarify... I really have a compound feed machine (needle feed + walking foot). It's just easier to say "walking foot" and not have to explain. 'Cause I'm lazy.
Dede, I know what you meant. ;)
I have a compound feed, walking foot machine, too. I also have a needle feed single needle, a 5 thread overlock machine, a blindstitch machine, a button sewing machine, a drop feed single needle (2 of those, one is a rotary take-up!), and an armada of home machines.
I am clearly a machine junkie. With a very serious "habit".
Quote from: bobbin on November 13, 2010, 01:54:19 pmI have a compound feed, walking foot machine, too. I also have a needle feed single needle, a 5 thread overlock machine, a blindstitch machine, a button sewing machine, a drop feed single needle (2 of those, one is a rotary take-up!), and an armada of home machines.
*drool*
I have the aforementioned Juki, 6 domestic machines, 2 treadles, and two domestic sergers. But... not all of them work. :D
Quote from: Dede on November 11, 2010, 10:19:21 am
I love specialized feet, and have a boatload of snap-on feet for my domestic machine. But, my industrial is a walking foot, and I HATE changing the feet. >:( So... I basically do everything with a welt foot. ::)
This is going a little off topic, but... Sam Sloan (Sloan Machinery) in Massachusetts invented a quick-change device that holds up to three feet on your straight-stitch industrial machine -- ready to drop into place. Can't remember the cost, but it wasn't much.
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I know of what you speak...a quick release for a single needle high speed flat bed machine (single presser foot, popular models are Singer 241, 281, Juki DDL-8300, DDL-555, DDL -5550, and MANY others) has been available by generic part number for as long as I can remember.
Interesting... so Sam Sloan didn't invent the concept; he just developed his own version.
I can't find it on his website, and the only on-line photo I could locate is HUGE, but it looks very, very similar to yours. Thanks for the photo!
Quote from: Dede on November 27, 2010, 07:40:15 am
Interesting... so Sam Sloan didn't invent the concept; he just developed his own version.
I can't find it on his website, and the only on-line photo I could locate is HUGE, but it looks very, very similar to yours. Thanks for the photo!
I'm not saying he didn't invent the concept, nor am I saying that he doesn't make/sell his own. Certainly feasible that the generic ones I sell were developed by him some time ago. As a lot of the 'technology' was developed in Elizabethport NJ and Bridgeport CT, I have meet a few and heard lots of stories of the who and how and the what were developed back in the day. For example, my Dad's old boss, Danny Berg, was credited with the hopping foot commonly found in Consews new 207 model, that is a direct copy of of a Singer model. Singer did, as I was told, pay him some money for the design. Again, this is a story I was told, and do believe. I have no way of confirming this myself, but no reason not to believe it.
Gregg,
I have been doing some precise sewing where I really need to be able to see my needle and where it is hitting the material I'm sewing. Do you have a foot for my Highlead that gives me a full view of the needle as it's going through what I'm sewing?
I was thinking about taking my standard foot that came on the machine, and using my Dremel to remove most all of the foot that is in front of the needle. A zipper foot does give a little more view, but the one I have is serrated on the bottom which leaves marks on leather.
Any suggestions?