faded-canvas

[Therapy]

Hi all  
Just wondering what you guys think about this
i been resewing some seam and replace the glass on my top
and i saw this on the bayliner form
What do you think time for a new top?

                             Thanks  Mike H

  http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/forum/showthread.php?67894-faded-canvas

[BigJohn]

Maybe a slip cover. hehehe

[bobbin]

I see fading on certain colors in the Sunbrella line.  Particularly reds, yellows, and "Toast" (a more "yellow" in the beige family).  I see the same thing in awnings, the reds and yellows are notorious for fade issues.  Obviously, the fading occurs more rapidly in areas of more and very direct sunshine.  I bet Mojo sees a lot of this, too, in his work with RVs. 

I have noticed that just because something has faded it isn't necessarily time for a complete replacement, sometimes the "damage" is really more cosmetic.  But it is probably the first shot across the bow with respect to considering your next move. 

[kodydog]

Maybe a slip cover. hehehe

I was thinking spray glue some canvas on. ???

[Mike]

I wonder if more regular water treatment like 303 help less fade?

[Peppy]

I've seen a customers top that he painted with a deck stain. It actually looked pretty good I hate to say. His top was 15 years old so he had nothing to lose.

303 makes this stuff- http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/1/303-aerospace-protectant.cfm I know a guy that swears by it.

[JuneC]

Does anyone know why Glen Raven switched their recommended waterproofing treatment for Sunbrella from 303 to Aqua-Tite? I'm tempted to believe the 303 worked a little TOO well.

June

[Mike]

huh, i didnt hear that June. they used to endorse aqua0tite years ago then as it was a silicone based product the silicone attracted dirt  not a big deal if you  clean your canvas but they switched to 303 back when .  so now its aqua tite again . ive always liked and  used aqua tite
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were did you see that info june i didnt see that here

http://www.sunbrella.com/cleaning/marine-tops-covers.php

[JuneC]

I don't remember now where I read it Mike.  I should have printed it out or saved a copy. 

June

[Peppy]

We used to use aquatite but then switched to 303 like Mike. Aquatite always gave me a headache so I was happy to see it go. 303 isn't much better and melts windows but it sure keeps the water out.

I don't think sunbrella's been the same since they switched to 303. I think it's such an awesome waterproofer that they're skimping the acrylic. Does anybody have a tech specs page in their sunbrella books anymore? Like with thread count and deinier and all that? Now that it comes from china i think they've been playing fast and loose with their specs.

[Mike]

Ya I think there falling back  behind outdida and recacrl in quality but what to I know.  Ive got outdoors on. My boat

[Peppy]

That's outdura Mike? We got a bunch of that from the auction a while back. I know nothing about it really. We're staring to push tempotest hard this year. It's too bad their colours aren't nearly as nice as sunbrella.

[Sunbrella]

June, there has been no change from Sunbrella on re-treatment products.  303 Products is still our recommendation.

[DBR1957]

To my knowledge Glen Raven recommends 303 for regular maintenance. It is not used as a treatment
in fabrication. Aquatite works great as a water repellant, however, I found it to stain Sunbrella if
it was used on a top that had significant aging. Particularly Cadet Grey and Toast. I haven't seen 303
Fabric Guard do that.

I always advise my customers to spray ant water treament with the cover off of the boat, outside and
out of direct sunlight.

Off topic but related to color, I actually had a call the other day from a lady with awnings made of
Sunbrella and she wanted to know if their was any way to wash out the color from the material.
You hear something new every day.

[Peppy]

June, there has been no change from Sunbrella on re-treatment products.  303 Products is still our recommendation.

Haha! I knew this thread would bring you out Sunbrella! So there's been no change in treatment, what about in your cloth? Is it the same weave and thread count as its always been? At our shop we think it's been getting thinner. Is it all in our minds? Can you point me to a spec sheet? Is it true it's made offshore now?

The shop has used sunbrella exclusively for 20 years, I've been there the last ten. We've always liked it but lately we've seen other cloths out preform it. I would love to hear from the horses mouth!