I had a customer ask if myself or my family smoked. She is allergic. My house is 2400 sq ft and 4 layers. I do not smoke but I do have a family member whom smokes in the kitchen only. We have friends whom come over and smoke. So do you think that the furniture in the bottom layer (shop ) would be affected by some one smoking 2 layers up?
She also has furniture that someone else did that the upholsterer smoked that she can not handle. Anyone have some ways to get that stench out? Febreze?
This is a first for me.
I can't say for sure about the smoke from your house, but some people are really sesitive to smoke. As for me I don't smoke and can actually smell someone smoking in a car in front of me going down the road with windows up and if I'm around enough of it I can develop a sinus infection. Febreze should handle a light covering of smoke, but if the other item you mentioned is that bad you may first try to steam it. If that fails proffesional auto detailers have commercial grade products that will remove smoke. And for worse case other that new upholstery and stuffing you may have to contract a company that specializes in Fire, smoke, and water damage. They can use ozone to eliminate the smell.
Kyle
When my step-dad was alive, he hung out at the shop all day. He smoked like a frieght train. He would light a new one right off the old one. He never sat foot in a church, or any formal gathering where smoking was prohibited. When my mother lay dying in the hospital, he didn't visit because he couldn't go even 5 minutes without smoking.
With all of the furniture dust combined with the smoky haze, I used to barf up a lung daily. If someone had shown him irrefutable proof that his smoking was affecting the health of others around him, he would've gone right on smoking.
We DID have several complaints about the nicotine smell in the shop. But I don't remember anyone complaining about a piece that we delivered. I guess we never had a customer that was super allergic.
I'm like Kyle - I can smell cigarette smoke residue days later or many yards away. If I were you, I'd invest in an ozone generator. It'll remove any smell (works great on boats with stinky bilges too!). And I've had customers ask. When I need to sub out work, I ask the subs as well.
June
I got a new customer recently (third one from the same upholsterer) who got tired of their upholsterer smoking cigarettes. I don't think it bothered the designer but she had a customer complain, again, about the smell.
No one smokes in my shop.
Iruthb: Is the cigarette smell getting into your bottom layer where you have your shop? Light an insense stick in the kitchen and see if the smell from one stick makes it to your shop. How about lighting an insense stick everytime someone lights a cigarette? Do you think the smell would make it all the way down? You may not smell the cigarette smoke in your bottom layer because you are used to it.
Fabreeze maskes smells. Someone on this forum said they smoke and they spray all their furniture with Fabreeze before it leaves their shop. As a non smoker, I think this is gross. (Please, no offense intended, it's just an honest comment on how I feel as a non smoker. Oh, I do enjoy a few fine cigars when I'm wilderness canoeing, so I am not a total !@$!@$ on this non smoking thing).
I sometimes wonder what might be more harmful to us, cigarette smoke or chemicals like Fabreeze?
Ozone makes the smoke molicules leave the air and stick to surfaces. It can be expensive.
One option might be to better ventilate the kitchen when the person smokes. Have them lean over the stove with the exhaust vent turned on. Make sure the stove is off first.
This is an important issue, especially if it could cause you to loose business.
gene
Quotedo you think that the furniture in the bottom layer (shop ) would be affected by some one smoking 2 layers up?
IMHO the only way that that volume of smoke could affect the shop would be if there was something really wonky with your furnace/ac duct work.
If you know anyone as sensitive as Kyle or June ; take them a handfull of that cotton felt that you've had in the shop for so long and get them to give it a sniff. If it's clean Gene could come over for a cigar every night for the few days the piece is in there and it would still be fine.
There is only one thing that will rid fabric of smoke and that is ozone.
You can spray whatever you want till the cows come home, but an Ozone generator is the only thing that will remove the smell.
Chris
The State of Illinois has outlawed smoking in public places, including businesses. My shop is separate from the house, so someone smoking in the non-public area isn't an issue for us. I have signs up keeping smokers at bay. I can smell it long after when I'im around smoking. A friend lit up one night in the shop while we were building my dog's house. I smelled it the next day, and it was just one cigarette. I figure, I have enough fumes from the glues and vinyl emitting gases, I don't need the extra contaminants.
I worked in a canvas shop where both of the owners smoked in the shop. A customer came in to pick up $4000 worth of canvas, took a sniff, and refused to take it. They quit smoking the very next day.
If our shop is being heated and/or cooled by the same hvac system, then it is possible. The cold air returns are sucking air from the entire house and running it back into your heating system. Then it sends it back out. This might be what's happening. Try an air purifier in your shop.
QuoteThe State of Illinois has outlawed smoking in public places, including businesses.
Same here in Canada.
QuoteI have enough fumes from the glues and vinyl emitting gases, I don't need the extra contaminants.
Maybe it's because I was well beyond that * but I saw it the other way; If the shop already has "aroma issues" that I have to deal with, what is one more?
* there were double doors (french doors ,sort of) between my shop and the other big shop.My first neighbour was a faux marble company . Fiberglass resin and rock dust. then came the tow truck company and their diesel fumes.Followed by a mechanic and a new neighbour on the other side of the other door using a lot of glue and melting plastic (he's the orthotist I moved down here to work for.) I smoked around your ski-doo seat, your boat top,but ai took it6 outside if your soft furnishings were in the shop.
I smoke a pipe, as did my dad, uncles, grandpas, and quite possibly.....an aunt or two ;D As most smokers realize, there are some "unwritten" rules of ettiquette when it comes to inflicting our habbit upon others... and they are really nothing more than common courtesy.
While I have smoked in my shop the last few weeks, I'm doing so without any client's furniture in it because I've been remodeling it from floor to ceiling and wall to wall. Right now, my shop smells like kiln-dried lumber and clear satin finish polyurethane. All foam, dacron, and fabric have been moved out until the rennovations are complete....this week?!?!?!
Once in business again, dad's "protocols" will again be in effect. Smoking will be relegated to the adjoining garage (with the overhead door open), or the carport outside the shop's primary entrance. No ashtrays or pipes will be visible anywhere.... and there will be NO meetings of the South Central Missouri Competive Flatulance League at this particular venue (my dad, me, a cousin, and my ex-wife are charter members ;))
I do have an ozone emitting air purrifier that has been used with great success in the office that I have in my house. A similar model has been purchased for use in my shop or van as an added precaution.
Jeff
Quote from: Half-Fast on December 05, 2010, 10:59:09 pm
.... and there will be NO meetings of the South Central Missouri Competive Flatulance League at this particular venue (my dad, me, a cousin, and my ex-wife are charter members ;))
Jeff
Now lets not get crazy, a good sporting match is good for morale and is great for shaking the winter blaaah's.. I'm glad to see the Missouri Chapter doing so well! Maybe we can get together for a friendly grudge match sometime. As long as the rules compare to the S.E. Indiana league. You know how football begins with a coin toss or basketball begins with a jump ball? We begin with a tug of the finger...Oh, I almost forgot, we let the shop Beagle compete too! (my secret weapon)
Kyle
Quote from: SHHR on December 06, 2010, 04:26:27 am
Now lets not get crazy, a good sporting match is good for morale and is great for shaking the winter blaaah's.. I'm glad to see the Missouri Chapter doing so well! Maybe we can get together for a friendly grudge match sometime. As long as the rules compare to the S.E. Indiana league. You know how football begins with a coin toss or basketball begins with a jump ball? We begin with a tug of the finger...Oh, I almost forgot, we let the shop Beagle compete too! (my secret weapon)
Kyle
I never knew there was a league! My friends and I just play games of pick-up or 2 on 2, but we'll be a team soon! The Wiarton Whiffers!
I read this thread with interest as sometimes we get a guest who smokes in our rooms and it stinks the place out. I had never heard of an ozone emitting air purrifier, so I googled it to find where I could get one in Australia. The first thing I came across was a warning from the N.S.W. department of health saying not only are they bad for the enviroment, but prolonged exposure can do seriouse damage to your lungs. Think I'll stick to febreze, I didn't see any goverment health warnings for that.
Scotty:
The warning is partially true.
No one should ever use an ozone generator if they have lung problems or asthma.
In your case the ozone generator would be perfect. You button the place up, run the ozone machine for
24 hours and then vent the room. No harm to anyone.
Frebreeze masks the smoke odor while ozone generators will clean and destroy the odor.
If your not going to be locked in the room for a week with it running you wont harm yourself or others.
Large hotel chains use these generators everyday for this exact same purpose and they do work.
With the price of Cig's in Oz I am shocked anyone there can afford to smoke anyways. My wife said prices in Sydney were $ 1 dollar per cigarette.
Chris
No gov. warnings for Fabreze because it's owned by P&G.
Now lets not get crazy, a good sporting match is good for morale and is great for shaking the winter blaaah's.. I'm glad to see the Missouri Chapter doing so well! Maybe we can get together for a friendly grudge match sometime. As long as the rules compare to the S.E. Indiana league. You know how football begins with a coin toss or basketball begins with a jump ball? We begin with a tug of the finger...Oh, I almost forgot, we let the shop Beagle compete too! (my secret weapon)
Kyle
Our chapter's rules are really quite simple.
*Each match begins with the playing of our chapter's anthem....."Purlple Haze".
*We use a modified "Grand Prix" style start, with the contestants racing for the official "throne" (which is not without its risks....If you've been "letting it idle" for some time, you run the risk of running out of gas before the "first lap" if you run too fast).
*Each effort is judged based on TTDOI (Texture, Tone, Duration, Olfactive Impact) cumulative scoring.
*Bonus points might be awarded if an audible "after shock" can be executed within 4 seconds.
*Bonus points will be awarded if you can make the canary keel over (RIP Carl, Christine, Claudia, Cranston......dang, this league is getting a bit expensive).
*Regardless of the score at the time, ANY person who can make the dog puke is automatically declared the match champion!
*Any contestant caught eating a convenience store buritto within 4 hours of a match will be disqualified for "doping".
As with most sporting events, rules are subject to change and/or addendum. We're always looking for ways to "fine tune" the competitive atmosphere of our avocational pursuits.
Jeff
QuoteThe first thing I came across was a warning from the N.S.W. department of health saying not only are they bad for the enviroment, but prolonged exposure can do seriouse damage to your lungs
Thanks for the warning Scotty but if Half-Fast, SHHR, or Peppy ever come to visit here in North Florida, I'm getting the damned ozone generator.
....The first thing I came across was a warning from the N.S.W. department of health saying not only are they bad for the enviroment, but prolonged exposure can do seriouse damage to your lungs...
Scotty,
It seems that all government entities (doesn't matter what part of our world you come from) seem to feel that it is their job to protect the lowest common denominator of any group of society.. But please be sure to quantify/qualify the basis of their "nannyism" on your own before accepting "go(d)vernment gospels"
Ozone (O3) may very well be detrimental to a person's health.....based on studies that could have been tested on laboratory animals (that might....or might not, have metabolic processes similar to us poor inferior humans). As for the Ozone emitting purrifiers on the market at this time, each will stay within safe operating guidelines...which were required/approved by the government(s) and their lawyers. If you follow those "guidelines" to the letter, there will be virtually no risk to you or anybody who inhabits one of your rooms.
I follow the "suggested" operating protocols...... running my O3 generating purrifyer for about 3-4 hours (it has a built in timer) overnight in my office/third bedroom of about 1000 ft3. By the time that I open the door the next day, the saturation levels have fallen WAY below the level that is considered "harmful", and not even my sister who is hyper sensitive to smoke odors can detect them.
Jeff
Do you know why farts stink?
So deaf people can enjoy them too.
Quote from: Half-Fast on December 07, 2010, 06:20:50 pm
Now lets not get crazy, a good sporting match is good for morale and is great for shaking the winter blaaah's.. I'm glad to see the Missouri Chapter doing so well! Maybe we can get together for a friendly grudge match sometime. As long as the rules compare to the S.E. Indiana league. You know how football begins with a coin toss or basketball begins with a jump ball? We begin with a tug of the finger...Oh, I almost forgot, we let the shop Beagle compete too! (my secret weapon)
Kyle
Our chapter's rules are really quite simple.
*Each match begins with the playing of our chapter's anthem....."Purlple Haze".
*We use a modified "Grand Prix" style start, with the contestants racing for the official "throne" (which is not without its risks....If you've been "letting it idle" for some time, you run the risk of running out of gas before the "first lap" if you run too fast).
*Each effort is judged based on TTDOI (Texture, Tone, Duration, Olfactive Impact) cumulative scoring.
*Bonus points might be awarded if an audible "after shock" can be executed within 4 seconds.
*Bonus points will be awarded if you can make the canary keel over (RIP Carl, Christine, Claudia, Cranston......dang, this league is getting a bit expensive).
*Regardless of the score at the time, ANY person who can make the dog puke is automatically declared the match champion!
*Any contestant caught eating a convenience store buritto within 4 hours of a match will be disqualified for "doping".
As with most sporting events, rules are subject to change and/or addendum. We're always looking for ways to "fine tune" the competitive atmosphere of our avocational pursuits.
Jeff
Would anyone want the recipe for my cauliflower/cheese casserole? It is good for about 3 days and has great duration and olfactory impact!
QuoteThe first thing I came across was a warning from the N.S.W. department of health saying not only are they bad for the enviroment, but prolonged exposure can do seriouse damage to your lungs. Think I'll stick to febreze, I didn't see any goverment health warnings for that.
This is a bunch of bunk, the FDA has the same warnings, but Ozone in "small quantities" is not dangerous. I have been using an Ozone generator for years with no ill effects. Ozone is natural in the environment, that nice fresh smell in the air after a rain storm is Ozone. Ozone is also used in natural healing methods and anything that heals naturally is under government attack today, cant patten it and charge big bucks.
I like to put a diffuser on the hose that the Ozone comes out of, stick it in a 16oz glass of ice water for five minuets, makes the best tasting water you will ever get, Ozone removes impurities from the water and adds oxygen to the blood stream, oxygen enriched blood is believed to kill many bacterias and virus's we carry in our bodies.
You will know if you are getting to much Ozone, it can make you light headed at first and breathing will become uncomfortable, If this happens just stop breathing it. I have made a few mistakes using Ozone, but this was because of my own stupidity. I once was trying to cure a respiratory infection by inhaling it, according to the directions I was supposed to put the diffuser into a bottle of olive oil and then inhale, but not me no, I just put my head over the diffuser and breathed it in deep, it wasn't long before I was out side getting fresh air. I lived through the experience and once again learned its good to follow directions. :D You can also make yourself puke if you stick the hose in your ear! LOL Don't ask how I know that one. ;D So yea Ozone can be dangerous if you are stupid with it, but so can anything. But because of the FDA I have to say I am not a doctor "thank god" and none of this should be taken as medical advice.
If anyone should be interested to lean more about Ozone and is possible health benefits check out this link. http://educate-yourself.org/ozone/
Quote from: CKKC on December 08, 2010, 04:52:16 am
Would anyone want the recipe for my cauliflower/cheese casserole? It is good for about 3 days and has great duration and olfactory impact!
I'll have to check with the commisioner to see if it's on the list of banned substances ;D It may be allowed but on all of your records you'll probably have an asterisk next to your name for playing with performance enhancements in your system :P
Kyle
Quote from: SHHR on December 08, 2010, 07:03:42 am
I'll have to check with the commisioner to see if it's on the list of banned substances ;D It may be allowed but on all of your records you'll probably have an asterisk next to your name for playing with performance enhancements in your system :P
Kyle
:-[
What is the chemical symbol for oxygen? O
What is the chemical symbol for ozone? O3
What is the chemical symbol for water? H2O
What is the chemical symbol for holy water? H2Omg
I don't believe that ozone is dangerous. It has never bothered me. Some people think it destroys brain cells and affects your memory. Some people think it destroys brain cells and affects your memory.
Anyway, some people think it destroys brain cells and affects your memory.
Anyone know what the chemical symbol for roast beaf is?
gene
Smoking is a non-starter for most of my customers.
Heads up: my mother was a smoker. She's been dead for 3 yrs. and her home has been vacant for nearly 7 yrs. and it still reeks of cigarette smoke. It's disgusting. There is a nicotene film over the walls and the ceiling and only a thorough scrubbing with TSP has removed the grime.
NO smoking! ummm... like... duh!