I am starting a new project. It's a BACK DROP for a 28 fishing boat with a hard top that has in inclosure already installed. It's going to be challenging because I will have to cut out for alot of supports a fishing pole holders. I am going to do a roll and snap around the aluminum piping,, as opposed to drilling studs into his aluminum piping. It's the only way to attach it, the hard to is too high to put studs on, AND not everyone is 6-5...haha.
So I was thinking patterning the whole thing with some good heavy plastic. I want this job to come out awesome.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I will put some pics up soon.
Ed
hiya
I'd probably pattern right onto the fabric on a job like that ?
Rich
I have to disagree you r got allot of chances to mess up your fabric fitting througjt the hardtop support tubes and rod holders. My first console cover with a t top I latterened with the end fabric and mess up fot the many hole openingg and had to sew pieces back on that had I used plastic at the time I could
had fixed the plastic with tape and cut the sunbrella
properly. Plasticis the way To go. The backdrop is it dropping straight down or angling back to the transome? Not fun around all the pipework.
hi
i take you point Mike, but i always find if i want a really neat
looking job using a blanket gives better results than plastic.
I guess ti depends on how many cut outs there are , agreed.
BTW i just bought 2 more sea rods for some trolling :-)
Got all the gear now and no idea heheh
I wouldn't dream of trying to cut cloth around one of those tube jungles! I wouldn't be dreaming because I'd be up all night worrying about doing it!
I'd make a pattern (always make a pattern IMO), and if it's to high in the air could you snap a piece with a zipper to the hard top and zip the panels to that? Bring it down a few inches? Even if you do it wrapping around the tubes.
Here are a few pictures. As you can see the second rail down is where I am going to roll the material around and snap it to itself. There are a lot of cut outs for supports and rod holders.
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I think separating zips on the flaps rather than snaps will give you a smoother finished product and also be less time to put up/take down. At least on the longer stretches.
June
June I was thinking the same thing. I will use them where I can for sure. Do you know what mil plastic I would use for a pattern??
I would use plastic for this. 6 mil would work well. 4 mil would stretch too much.
I use 6 mil for everything. 'Tyvek' construction plastic works really good too...
Where do you get your plastic? Home Depot or local hardware??
Mentioned before but again I use 6 mill ckearshrinkwrap it's great comes ona 100 foot roll and opens up to 14 feet wide I can pattern half most boat got a mooring cover in two pieces also patterning only one half saved material.
6mm plastic (vapour barrier) from Home Depot. make sure it's not too hot when you do it as the plastic can stretch quite a bit in the heat.
Lynn
Quote from: Peppy on October 02, 2010, 05:20:29 pm
I wouldn't dream of trying to cut cloth around one of those tube jungles! I wouldn't be dreaming because I'd be up all night worrying about doing it!
I'd make a pattern (always make a pattern IMO), and if it's to high in the air could you snap a piece with a zipper to the hard top and zip the panels to that? Bring it down a few inches? Even if you do it wrapping around the tubes.
Ditto. :tup:
Quote from: Lynn on October 04, 2010, 09:37:14 pm
6mm plastic (vapour barrier) from Home Depot. make sure it's not too hot when you do it as the plastic can stretch quite a bit in the heat.
Lynn
I just picked some up from Depot. 10x30 foot roll should do it I think. Now all I need is some good weather to make this pattern. Heat should not be a factor here in NJ...lol I am excited to get this job going, with a solid pattern it should come out great.
BTW-I just picked up a swing away binder from sailrite and it workes great. $59 bucks. Much better than the stationary one I got off ebay which bends the binding 90 degrees before the needle. not good. FYI for anyone.
Ed is this the one? http://www.sailrite.com/Binder-3-4-Swing-Bracket
I use the same style but not swing away my machine have a easily removable top plate over my bobbin top load that i just slip on and off as neeeded. ive got a swing away 90ยบ stlye that i hate. seems to have allot of drag for my tayste. i spent so much for it i cant seem to part with it though.
Yes, that's the one. Works good, very adjustable. I spent alot for the stationary one it drags too much too... Too much heat in the needle.
Mike,
The pattern worked well. It's hard to make the plastic tight, so we wound up taking in each side once we were able to put it up. I put 5 hours into it on Sat and 3 more on Sunday and it's basically done with the exception of binding and snaps. So I figure another 3-5 hours to get'er done.
FYI for anyone doing a roll and snap, it works well, very time consuming getting the cut outs right around the aluminum though, so price accordingly. Also, I have sewing machine where I am doing the work, I think I would have pulled some hair out if I didn't...lol
Hey Ed;
Take some pics and show it off when you're done..
Howard
Here's a pic just after we put a seam in to tighten it up.
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I did want you guys to think I forgot about the pics. It took me a loong time to add the double fold around the perimeter, but the new binder works good, I need more seat time with it to get the turns better. I will have it in place this weekend weather permitting.
Mike, I was down to Fort Lauderdale this last weekend, I can see why you live down that way. I would say with your talent and reputation you must do well, there is a so many boats down there, and big money.
Here are some finished pictures. Customer was very happy with the finished product which is always a good feeling. As you can see the color is alot lighter inside, that is because I used Sunbrella PLUS. All in all this was a great project. I had 18 hours in the job with a part time helper. Granted alot of that time was laying out the project. The pattern consumed some time but saved material, I did the whole job with 15 yards, 70 foot binding, plus snaps.
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Looks really good. How'd you like working with the Sunbrella plus? That stuff is really heavy - and I'm guessing the 15 yards was not exactly lightweight. Shoot, it would have been heavy in regular Sunbrella.
June
Nice work. 8) Did your customer want the Sunbrella Plus? Usually I've only seen it and used it on tops. It's nice stuff to work with though.
I always offer all 3 types of Sunbrella just to cover myself, the customer thought the plus a good idea after I explained the differnces. It is a heavy cover, Mike nailed it, he knew there was gonna be some sag, I wound up taking it in as much as possible without losing the shape I needed. June or Regalman, have you ever worked with the "Super"? I be that is tough.
Great project though, I got my Dad involved, and he loves a good project, so we got that father son time in...lol
I was saying to Mike, the pattern really helped save matierial but I think it's more realistic to use on Bimini's etc. if you are looking for and exact pattern.
Ed
Yup, turned out nice Ed.
I think it would have been a bummer to pattern with the Plus and have a big mistake...
(not that happens to any of us here....) :o
Nice one, Ed.
Suck that sucker in I say. Darted seams are your friend. :tup:
Agreed, the DART was the way to go, looking at it I couldn't think of another way to get that slop out.
I used these cheap spring clams from the Depot and started taking it in from the inside. I had some help from the outside telling when it looked good, then with some chalk I marked the seam, cut n left a 1/2 inch seam allowance and sew'd her up. I can't take the credit though, my Dad thought of the Dart 1st...LOL
I've used that tuck Frick using clamps Ed before on large covers ws
Trouble le is you don't see bow the finnished cover is going to hand till it's done.
Quote from: Mike8560 on October 28, 2010, 06:13:53 pm
I've used that tuck Frick using clamps Ed before on large covers ws
Trouble le is you don't see bow the finnished cover is going to hand till it's done.
Mike you are right on that, so what I did on this dart, I left it as a simple seam just in case I needed to take more in, then when we put it up and checked it, I locked it in with a top seam.
That dart can be cut into the pattern too, if you know where the finished seam is going to be. We call it an STR (pattern shorthand for stretch) If you cut the pattern right it opens a gusset that you fill in with tape or what not, that when traced to the sunbrella isn't a gusset. Just material added to either side of the seam. Sorry, hard to explain.
I have some pictures from when I tried explaining it before....
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See the spot just to the rear of the window? A big tape 'arrow' pointing at it.
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filled in.
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not the same tarp, but here's an STR on the cutting table. The seams if opened are parabola's not square if you get me.
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Finished tarp. If you don't cut the STR then there ends up to much fabric from the corner of the windshield to the corner of the back and your posts have to be miles long to take up the slack. Do I make sense?
Now in your case it's a little different, you needed to suck the fabric in front to back. It could still be done though. I just wanted to point out that that is possible to achieve in the pattern since you were asking about patterning or not. But in the end it doesn't matter how it happened, thats a nice tarp!
Peppy,
I understand the pattern technique you are using there with the filling in. The big problem for us was that there is nothing to pull the material around to get a good pattern, lots of slop around the truns going back.
Like in that first picture, suppose you wanted to drop down over the windsheild. Just leave it long, take out 2 darts and trim it. I did one where I patterned the windsheild and pieced it on, it looked the same, just took more time. I think patterns definatly have there time and place after this project...
Ed
We all have a way of doing things that works for us. I find it funny that you poo-poo paternmaking. It's my favorite part of my job and what I spend almost half my time doing. Differ'nt strokes I guess.
Often I make patterns with nothing behind them, it's trickier but you can use the tape to lift the pattern stuff and restore tension to it. I like patterning way more than putting tarps on and off the boat 100's of times, and 10 minutes on a pattern can save you hours at the trim table. When it works it's great. When it doesn't work it's not great. But then your still left with a nice 'blanket' to pattern with.
I
might add try using 6 mill Shri kwrqp to pattern it would stre h as much and you. An pull it tight
K did a mooring cover o a 27 foot Grady w/a a d had to pattern I that tuck no material to add just take it out for the slop.
Quote from: Peppy on November 02, 2010, 03:54:48 pm
We all have a way of doing things that works for us. I find it funny that you poo-poo paternmaking. It's my favorite part of my job and what I spend almost half my time doing. Differ'nt strokes I guess.
Often I make patterns with nothing behind them, it's trickier but you can use the tape to lift the pattern stuff and restore tension to it. I like patterning way more than putting tarps on and off the boat 100's of times, and 10 minutes on a pattern can save you hours at the trim table. When it works it's great. When it doesn't work it's not great. But then your still left with a nice 'blanket' to pattern with.
Pep,
It's not that I poo poo patterns, but with this particular project it was tough. The wind, the pipe roll and snap, etc. Hey, I look at it this way, at least the pattern I did make got me off and running. And I would say that patterns made inside a shop can be directly transferable.
Ed