Does anyone know of a GOOD reason why we perpetuate this time change nonsense? After doing a quick search, I came up with so many more drawbacks than benefits (increased accidents right after the time change for one) that I wonder why we still do it. I for one would prefer that the the powers that be choose one time and stick with it, or, if they persist in keeping this time flip-flop year after year, then make the change at midnight on Friday instead of Sunday and declare the Monday and Tuesday following to be National Acclamation days so we can get used to the change before having to return to work. I see Arizona doesn't go along with this and I wonder why, if it works to stay with one time for them, it can't work for the rest of us.
Can some one enLIGHTen me about this?
Rich
I hate i usualy wake up when the sky got light at 630 am.them slept then slept another hour. Now the dun did t wake me and i done have a hour for coffee as i should be leaving doon to det tk the shop at. 9. For deleveries :(
I dont know of anybody who works later. When i was in cunetruction we still left at 330 only worked late if we had to. The banks still close the same.
Not only it it darker snd colder in the morning but tomorow i have to go pattern a boat it snd hour longrr now ill havr to sait for the sun to dry of the bost.
Just stupid.
I'd be in favor of year round "daylight savings time." But that being said, I'm at the western edge of a time zone and have longer daylight than most.
Neighboring Indiana used to be strange. NW Indiana is part of Chicago metro area, that is on Central Time. SE Indiana is more part of Cincinnati metro area that is on Eastern time. Indianapolis, in the center of the state is neutral. I don't know what they do now, but they used to not do the switch in part of the state. Then the people that worked or lived in SE Indiana knew about "slow time" and "fast time." Many did change their clocks and watches to be in synch with EDT and realized if if was local, it may be on "fast time."
My daughter that lives in the UP of Michigan is on Eastern time, though she's due north of Chicago and Wisconsin, both on Central time. I suppose MI did not want to split the UP for arbitrary reasons. Due to the western longitude and high latitude, it's light there past 10 pm summer evenings. Alaska doesn't care. When I was there in May, the sun set about 12:30 am and rose about 3:45 am. And there was another seven weeks until solstice.
Time Standardization came about with the railroads. It used to be each local had their own time standard. This created chaos for the railroads, where if it took 30 minutes between stops, each stop might differ by 28 minutes local time.
"Just don't call me late for dinner."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
I don't particularly mind "daylight savings" but I wish they'd go back to the old schedule... used to turn the clocks back in late October and ahead in April and that minimized the increased darkness in the morning.
I work early and I like the morning light very much. Fishermen particularly dislike the loss of AM light as they're usually out of port well before sun up if they're heading off shore. Most of my friends think I'm nuts as they prefer it light later in the day.
MY GOOD REASON, by gene, the medicated, meditating, dog.
Our elected politicians are in business to make money and grab power. They grabbed 7% of our economy with Obama care. Not one of them read the legislation because it had nothing to do with providing health care to the peoples. It was all about grabbing power.
What better grab for power than to control TIME itself. OOOH! The selling point when they first got day light savings was that it will help the farmers. It was pointed out, and ignored, that the farmers get up at sunrise and go to bed at sunset.
Today the big reason to have it is to protect the safety of school children so they don't have to wait for the bus in the dark.
China, the biggest growing industrial country in the world does not have daylight savings. Oh, wait a minute. They don't even have "time zones", even though their country crosses 5, yes 5 different time zones.
It Takes a Village, by Hillary Clinton. A great read!
gene
In Florida we may have changed the clocks for the last time. Apparently it's up for a vote to stick with daylight savings time year round. Suits me fine. I hate the flip/flop chaos. They just need to pick a time and stick with it.
June
Kids don't ride the school bus anymore. Mummy and Daddy chauffeur the little darlings to the schoolhouse door and pick them up in the afternoon. At the final bell there are more SUVs lined up in the parking lot than school buses!
Quote from: bobbin on March 10, 2014, 11:13:33 am
Kids don't ride the school bus anymore. Mummy and Daddy chauffeur the little darlings to the schoolhouse door and pick them up in the afternoon. At the final bell there are more SUVs lined up in the parking lot than school buses!
We still have school busses. But the ones I see around here are driving around with less than 10% capacity. And yes, the SUV's are lined up around the corner at drop-off and pick-up time.
Most of the reasons for which DST was created are no longer relevant.
I made the mistake of driving past an elementary school last month I could not figure out what the traffic jam was until I saw the school sign. I live less than 1/4 mile to the elementary school. Yet my neighbors drive their kids to school rather than have them walk on the 6' wide sidewalk all the way there. When I was in high school, my mother worked at the school I went to and drove to work. I still rode the bus every day.
Most of the reasons for "summer vacation" are no longer relevant since only 2% of the population lives on farms. A lot of the work now is done by GPS controlled machinery that just needs to be babysat.
Quote from: sofadoc on March 10, 2014, 11:47:32 am
Quote from: bobbin on March 10, 2014, 11:13:33 am
Kids don't ride the school bus anymore. Mummy and Daddy chauffeur the little darlings to the schoolhouse door and pick them up in the afternoon. At the final bell there are more SUVs lined up in the parking lot than school buses!
We still have school busses. But the ones I see around here are driving around with less than 10% capacity. And yes, the SUV's are lined up around the corner at drop-off and pick-up time.
Most of the reasons for which DST was created are no longer relevant.
i agree with bobbin that it's too early for DST.Last week I was finally driving to work without headlights ---today,back in the dark.
Saskatchewan [our neighbouring province by less than 200km]does not observe DST. They say it confuses the cattle.so for half the year we are in the same time zone and the other half we are an hour ahead. PITA.
I thought I had found all the clocks in here yesterday---stove,vcr,etc...I was some torqued this AM to find out that my coffee would be ready and waiting for me in about an hour.Yup---it's Monday.
Quote from: sofadoc on March 10, 2014, 11:47:32 am
Quote from: bobbin on March 10, 2014, 11:13:33 am
Kids don't ride the school bus anymore. Mummy and Daddy chauffeur the little darlings to the schoolhouse door and pick them up in the afternoon. At the final bell there are more SUVs lined up in the parking lot than school buses!
We still have school busses. But the ones I see around here are driving around with less than 10% capacity. And yes, the SUV's are lined up around the corner at drop-off and pick-up time.
Most of the reasons for which DST was created are no longer relevant.
its crazy kids get a driven to the bus stop even and I see moms parked waiting for the bus. I avoid the school zones whenb I can with all the cars driving the kids home I used to walk home when I had after school activities. 3 0r 4 miles maybe more. dad was at work and mom didn't drive back then. and we never had these flashing light for 15 mph it so stupid even the high school with the kids driving there own cars. but I got to creep by. withoug a kid in sight walking .
If you are a student in "the county" (Aroostook) you get 1-2 wks. off in late Sep't./Oct. so you can help harvest potatoes. Some kids do! but let's face it, it's not really crucial that kids help with the haHvest nowadays But man! mention eliminating those two weeks and the cry is raised, "but it's our culture!". (uh, so was slavery, segregation, denying women the right to vote, etc.).
Time to stop looking back to the "good old days" and start looking critically at today and the future. (I relinquish the soapbox).
We're so worried about our kids safety is so many areas of life. Why then don't kids wear seat belts while riding a school bus?
QuoteSaskatchewan [our neighbouring province by less than 200km]does not observe DST. They say it confuses the cattle.
So this guy in Saskatchewan stopped to ask these cows if they new what time it was. The 2 cows with their heads up started arguing about whether it was daylight savings time yet.
One of the cows eating grass was heard to say, "Does anybody really know what time it is?"
The other cow eating grass said, "Does anybody really care?"
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QuoteTime to stop looking back to the "good old days" and start looking critically at today and the future.
Good point.
My brother-in-law who knows everything about everything, especially those things that he knows nothing about, is really big on "magnetic resonance from the earth".
He sleeps on magnets that have a wire going outside to the ground. He said when people used to walk around barefoot they made contact with the ground and the magnetic poles of the earth were positively affecting people. Now that we wear shoes and walk on concrete and blacktop, we've lost this connection and that's why people get sick and get things like cancer.
I pointed out to him that when people used to walk around barefoot their life expectancy was about 35 years.
End of discussion!
gene
PS: It wasn't that many generations ago that no one had "soap boxes". ;D
I know one of the more recent reasons for keeping the time change was to save energy, but with all those moms driving the little darlin's to school, it has to use more gas than one bus!
Gene,I used to wonder about the lack of seat belts on school buses also, but have read that they are actually very safe vehicles w/o the belts. And can you imagine the time it would take to check that all those belts were indeed fastened?
I do believe that Gene's fist post gives a good answer. Nowadays, if your looking for a reason for why things are done a certain way, greed is usually the answer. I think there was a time when we had statesmen, now, we have only greedy (or scared) politicians who only have their eyes on the next election.
Rich
Quote from: gene on March 10, 2014, 04:34:46 pm
PS: It wasn't that many generations ago that no one had "soap boxes". ;D
ive never seen a soapbox you could stand on why were they so big?
Quoteive never seen a soapbox you could stand on why were they so big?
Mike, I think what you meant to say, or imply, is that you have never seen a soapbox that you could stand on "without crushing it".
Back in the good ol' days, which more than a few folks on this forum remember well, and many not so well, products, such as soap, were shipped in wooden boxes. "Why?" you may not be wondering? Because that was the cheapest way to ship many products, such as soap.
Standing on a wooden crate, that had been used to transport soap, for example, without crushing it is a rather easy thing to do. And folks would often do just that in order to be heads above the crowd so everyone could hear their diatribes.
But then, one day, it was discovered that if you take a piece of paper and make it fluted, i.e., wavy, and then glue that piece of paper inside of two other flat pieces of paper, voila, you have a corrugated box, or as the common person says, "a cardborad box." You have a shipping container lighter and cheaper than a wooden crate, and with enough stacking strength to keep the products inside from getting crushed.
The primary downside to the corrugated box is that you cannot stand on it without crushing it.
"Standing on a soap box" went the way of buggy whips and blood letting.
gene
Back in the day, the Ford Motor Company used to specify to their parts vendors exactly what type and size of wooden boxes they must ship their parts in.
The reason was, so they could take the boxes apart, and use the wood slats as floorboards in their automobiles.
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mom would put a cardboard in the window with a H on it if she wanted him to stop.
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, because mom was at home didn't drive to the store ect. I had a cardboad helms truck they gave out
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that and in the stores you could test your tv tubes and buy a new one at this machine
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QuoteStanding on a wooden crate, that had been used to transport soap, for example, without crushing it is a rather easy thing to do. And folks would often do just that in order to be heads above the crowd
ROFL! That is a funny memory. That same thing thing can be done with a "Coke crate" so that a 4 year old can "work" at his Grandpa's service station---pumping gas AND cleaning the windshield. Mine had it's own place---right between the 2 pumps.
Sorry to interrupt the digression, but I've been thinking about this time change thing and here's what I've come up with.
We have a few more hours daylight in the summer than in the winter. The amount of work or school daylight hours is fixed. So, to not waste hours, you'd want to start your work or school day as soon after sunrise as possible, right? If that's the case in the winter, then when the daylight hours increased (meaning the sun would rise earlier and set later) the workday would start a longer time after the sun had risen in the summer. By setting the clocks ahead in the spring, we move the start of the workday closer to sunrise and get the benefit of the extra hours of daylight after we leave work when we can make the best use of them.
Sound about right?
Rich
QuoteSorry to interrupt the digression
;D
The problem Rich is that it's still "NOT FAIR".
I live in the west of the Eastern Time Zone. Therefore, I always get longer daylight in the evenings than the folks who live in the east of the Eastern Time Zone, no matter what time the clock says.
Maybe charge a higher obama care tax, incremental to how far you live toward the west of your particular time zone? That would make life more fair. Yes?
gene
I have a friend who's a historian of the craft. He said in the pre-industrial British trades, the "Garrett Masters" would hire journeymen. In the winter, they would work by the piece (having short days), but in the summer, they were hired by the day (meaning daylight hours).
i hate waiting for the sun in the morning to start work.
and I don't fell like making dinner till the sun goes down so its like 8oo pm before I even think about it . I used to like the longer summer days but now im tired somtime before dark