A homeowner recently bought a new $3500 sofa that had been covered in muslin and then she picked out the slip cover that went over the muslin. The fabric choices were limited, which makes sense.
Ikea does this with there cheap furniture.
You would no longer need upholsterers at the furniture factory. Just have sewers line up the notches on the fabric panels and sew away.
Does anyone see this slip covering new furniture trending? It certainly makes it cheaper for the furniture stores and manufacturers.
gene
I'm always a little confused by products like this.
What customer are they targeting?
The price suggests that the product is aimed at the high end customer.
But, does the high end consumer really want a cookie cutter sofa with a limited selection of cookie cutter slip covers to choose from?
The low end consumer wants practical. They want something that they can that they can wash 3 X's a week.
I know a few people that bought the cheap IKEA stuff. Their idea is to just purchase new slip covers when the old ones finally succumb to the rigors of the washing machine. But usually, by the time they're ready for a new slip cover, they've become disenchanted with the whole concept.
I just don't know who this product line is right for.
A sofa done in muslin is still upholstered.
Interesting thread. I was in a local store (after googling slipcovers in my area, Sofa.) and found the same thing. What surprised me the most was the price the pieces commanded; foolishly, I didn't have the presence of mind to ask if the "first" slipcover was included in the price at the time of the order.
The slipcovers fit beautifully (the way I like to see them fit and the way I strive to do them), but the fabric selection was nothing to write home about. As Gene points out, that makes sense... you offer a basic "color way" and if the customer has a yen for a particular fabric you could then charge accordingly to make a "one of" using your patterns and skilled sewing labor.
Personally, I'd prefer a piece of furniture upholstered in something more than "muslin", and then have the option of ordering a nice fitting slipcover to change the "look" with the season. Clearly, this wouldn't be an option that would fly with any but the moneyed crowd, but when an arm chair and ottoman commands the best part of 2K something tells me there is a market for it.
A customer of mine used to warehouse / deliver for IKEA. They had one of these and the customer bought a sofa and 12 slip covers. She could change her sofa as often as she changed her underwear.
I see some of these from other vendors (can't remember which right now, but it might be Arhaus), sort of the cottage / shabby chic?? To me, it looks disheveled. I prefer sheveled. (OMG! I'm starting to sound like Gene.)
One of the latest fads in woodworking is to use pallet wood. Ugh. First, I'm not going to risk $150 worth of planer blades and $100 saw blades to dimension crappy wood that might have gravel, metal, and who knows what else in it. And if I'm going to spend a lot of time on something, I'm going to use an attractive wood, not some unknown lot of jungle wood with bugs, rot, stains, paint, dents and nail holes. Not for me.
QuoteThey had one of these and the customer bought a sofa and 12 slip covers. She could change her sofa as often as she changed her underwear.
Yes, once a month. :o
Here's the link: http://www.arhaus.com/furniture/living-room-furniture/sofas/baldwin-slipcovered-sofa/
The two selling points mentioned to me about buying this is that the slipcover is cheaper than upholstery, and you can buy more than one slipcover.
With a 100% cotton I wonder how well it will wear, and will it always have that wrinkled look?
If they can put muslin on the sofa, and add a slipcover, cheaper than upholstering it only, it would seem that they are not putting the muslin on the same way they would put on a finished fabric. ???
gene
There is a crowd out there that just likes change, they simply do not appreciate craftsmanship and the finer details that it can deliver. The slipcovers look like junk to me, no matter how often they can be changed, it wouldn't satisfy me at all. That is because my crowd appreciates quality presented with expert craftsmanship.
There might be an element of appreciation for "slips" among the animal lovers, now they can wash and/or change weekly with this offering.
Something for everyone.
If the furniture is built cheaply, framing, padding, and springing (which it likely is), it won't last long enough to wear out a dozen "slips".
Not the same, but it reminds me of the "rag rod" fad among some of the car lovers. They go but do not "show" well. LOL.
Oh well,
BTW, what does sheveled describe or how is it defined? I probably don't want to know. LOL. Oh, last comment, I have seen better looking underwear than the link provided to the "slips".
Doyle
I agree that 100% cotton can look wrinkled and rumpled, the key to minimizing it is to put the slip. on when it's just barely damp because cotton "shrinks" with washing but stretches back to shape upon installation (think of your dungarees after they've been washed) . A nice quality denim will wear like iron. Several acquaintances in the trade will only work on 100% cotton (duck or denim). I think that's kind of silly personally, because it limits a customer's options. I think a percentage of polyester is a great addition to cotton! And have never fully understood the prejudice against "synthetics"... there's "good stuff" and "cheap stuff"... .
The slips. I referenced above all had zippers on the main body so the fit could naturally be more precise. I couldn't determine whether or not those in Gene's link did. Many of my acquaintances don't put zippers in the main body of a slipcover. I do, because a snug, tailored fit is what I like to see in a slipcover. I will frequently use a decorative button placket, as well. But if the name of the game is bang them out quickly and for minimum cost then the addition of zippers or decorative plackets to tighten the fit wouldn't be effective (more materials and higher labor skill).
Quote from: gene on October 25, 2013, 03:13:36 pm
........selling points mentioned to me about buying this is that the slipcover is cheaper than upholstery
It might be cheaper
IF you're talking about a cookie cutter slip cover. But the main selling point that I use (when trying to convince the customer to reupholster) is that there is little or no $$ savings at all for a
CUSTOM slip cover.
Many of the comments regarding slip covers seem to indicate that most of us here prefer a snug fit. Not loose and floppy. In other words, we prefer it to look like it's melted and poured on. Not a "One size fits all" that's just tucked in everywhere.
I've got in a few sofas before that still had old slip covers on them. Some were so tight, that I had to bust open the seams just to get them off. For the life of me, I don't know how they got it on to begin with, unless they closed up some of the final seams by hand-sewing.
I'm not a fan of slip covers. I don't own any. And I don't do them. So my opinion about them doesn't mean much. But I don't like the ones that fit so well, that at first glance you can't even tell it's a slip cover. If I wanted a slip cover, I think I might prefer a slightly loose look.
Yep, sofa d. I only do high end custom fit slip covers that are designed to look like upholstery.
There are some chairs I do where the slip cover is almost as much as upholstery. It takes a lot of time to piece each panel.
I bring the furniture into my studio. I have never done a slip cover in a customers' home.
The amount of fabric used is sometimes more for slip covers because the deck, under the seat cushion, is also face fabric.
If someone wants a slip cover that looks like a slip cover they can get really great ones on line. I can't compete with these volume folks. So, I don't.
And I only do them to give my Interior Designers another option in case there is some reason that the homeowner absolutely does not want the old fabric to come off a piece of furniture.
gene
I noticed that most of you don't like the look of slip covers, but we're all biased! I remember a movie called "Big night" where two brothers opened a restaurant and the one who was the chef kept coming out of the kitchen to tell the customers they were ordering food in a way they shouldn't have. They just didn't understand food preparation like he did. Bottom line was, it didn't matter what he thought if his customers liked it.
So, do the customers like the slip covered look? Maybe not in an upholsterers home but what about the customer's?
Rich
Slipcovering is a definite "look". No slipcover will ever be as drum tight as upholstery but the degree of "slouch" varies greatly and depends largely on the customer's taste and the fabricator's skill and comfort level with different fabrics. Like Gene, I don't try to compete at the low end. My niche is high end, and usually it's for handsome pcs. with beautiful upholstery that the customer wishes to "change out" with the season. I get a kick out of slipcovering because it fits in nicely with my clothing background... it's basically clothing for furniture. And they do require considerable time and thought and also substantial amounts of fabric.
I pattern slipcovers in the customer's home, the notable exceptions being "Martha Washington" chairs or dining chairs. Both will fit in my automobile easily and if a slip. for the former is to be closely fitted I really prefer to have the chair in my shop. As for the latter, well... usually they can surrender one of 8 chairs for a few days, after the first one it's basically "cookie cutter" stuff. Having the chair in shop is a lot easier for me, but I have no desire to get into the furniture moving business, thanks! If the customer wishes to move the piece, great!! I am confident enough in my fitting skills to make one trip to pattern, and a second trip to deliver, for me it's a lot easier than trying to move furniture.
Note that these "factory" slipcovers have Velcro on the outside arms. That's the reason they fit so snugly.
Quote from: bobbinMany of my acquaintances don't put zippers in the main body of a slipcover. I do, because a snug, tailored fit is what I like to see in a slipcover. I will frequently use a decorative button placket, as well.
I never used to put zippers in my slipcovers, and they always went on just fine... until that ONE time. Now my default is a big chunky placket right down the back, sometimes with buttons. I call it a "design feature" and no one has ever complained.
Dede, I did the "hover thing" and didn't pick up Velcro on the arm chair... where were you looking?
I prefer zippers to Velcro... the hook portion always picks up all manner of lint and whatnot. Zippers don't! And "one time" is all it takes... (lol)
Rich,
Contrary to what your impression was, I do like professional tailored Slips.
Not the junk. It is understandable that some like the lesser professional slip, pets, or just to protect or are cheap or all of the above.
Doyle
I got a few more questions and comments about slip covers.
Maybe you guys can soften my hard stance.
Actually, in the right setting, I think a slip covered sofa looks nice.
Basically, the way I see it, there are 3 types of slip cover:
1) High end....... Fits like skin. At first glance, you can't even tell that it's a slip.
2) Mid-grade...... Fits pretty well. A little loose. But overall, still looks nice.
3) Low end........ Sears catalog. Lots of elastic. One size fits all.
Questions:
When you guys do high end slip covers, are they ever for the main couch that everybody flops on to watch TV? Or usually for a sofa that's made to be looked at more than sat on? Such as a formal living room.
When you make a slip cover for an existing sofa that has corded/boxed cushions, do you remove and save the old cushion covers? Or do you slip right over them (so you can still feel the cording underneath)?
Do you refuse certain pieces that are either too worn out, or at least need internal work?
Comments:
I've stated before that I don't do them. Actually that's not exactly true. I've quoted them lots of times. But when my quote approaches (or surpasses) the cost of a complete re-upholstery job, the customer always aborts.
I got 2 calls this week regarding slip covers. After reading these posts, I decided to feel them out, just to see what they expected for their money.
Deja-vu all over again. One expected to save a lot of money by slip covering. And she wanted something that she could wash every time her sweaty-assed husband came in off the tractor.
One of the calls was from a lady with one of those big fake leather reclining sofa/fold-down console monstrosities. The fake leather was cracking and peeling. She thought she could just slip cover the whole thing for about $100.
Obviously, I'm not playing to the right crowd.
Answers:
1.) I would say most of the slips. I've done have been for older people and have been for living rooms that are not terribly "formal". That said, a slip. that fits snugly should be able to withstand "flopping" with minimal primping afterward.
2.) I always ask the customer if they plan to remove the existing cushion covers or leave them in place. I tell them that leaving the existing cushions covers in place can make welting feel bulky under their knees. I have done both, and my customers haven't been bothered by the "welting build up".
3.) I always explain that slips. are not a replacement for true upholstery work; they're a different "animal" and give the piece a different "look". If the piece is in need of structural upholstery work I am the first to tell them they're wasting their money on a slipcover. If they are trying to cover upholstery that is looking tired and dated I suggest they clean the upholstery "to get the big stuff off" before the slip. goes on.
I also work hard to dispel the myth that slipcovers are cheap. They are if a "Surdon'tfit" is purchased, but that's not my game. I explain the fabric requirements and the basic process required to make nice looking slipcover. Older customers seem more able to wrap their heads around craftsmanship and what "custom" means. They also remember slips. that fit and looked great in the homes of their childhood. I'm discovering that quality slipcover work speaks for itself, and the word gets around... albeit slowly. ;)
FABRIC: I always tell folks to use fabric similar to blue jean fabric. A cotton blend is great. I do not want fabrics made for draperies, such as 100% polyester. If the fabric is stiff and rigid it will not lay well on the furniture.
QuoteWhen you guys do high end slip covers, are they ever for the main couch that everybody flops on to watch TV? Or usually for a sofa that's made to be looked at more than sat on? Such as a formal living room.
Both. I've done formal living rooms where folks occasionally use the furniture. I've done furniture where the kids will be living on it and the parents want to keep the upholstered fabric looking good for when the kids grow up and leave the nest.
QuoteWhen you make a slip cover for an existing sofa that has corded/boxed cushions, do you remove and save the old cushion covers? Or do you slip right over them (so you can still feel the cording underneath)?
Both. I prefer and recommend that the existing cover be taken off. But, sometimes folks want to keep the existing covers on. It makes no difference to me in making the covers, other than I think it looks better with the old covers off.
QuoteDo you refuse certain pieces that are either too worn out, or at least need internal work?
I've never been in this situation, but I think that is a great point: refuse to do it or charge for fixing what needs to be fixed.
I have chosen not to make slipcovers for a few items. One I remember had an exposed decorative wood frame around the top and back of the chair in such a way that a slipcover would have looked really weird.
In general, the general public goes online and finds a sofa slipcover price of $119.99. They think that they can get the same price, or cheaper, locally, and save on shipping charges, then pay in cash to avoid sales tax. They think they will be getting a brand new sofa for $119.99.
They did not bother to check if this price includes the 3 seat cushion covers, the 3 back cushion covers, AND THE FABRIC!!! If it did include the fabric, what kind of fabric is it???
These people are not just looking to get something for nothing. They are looking for confirmation as a human being. They are looking to prove that they are wise, clever, and are able to deal with the vagaries of life. They are looking for love.
So, they call me and ask for a price on a sofa slipcover. I'm always happy to give a price on anything. This is sometimes the first step in getting a new customer. A few times, giving someone a price was the first step in eventually gaining a new friend.
My first question is: How many seat cushions and how many back cushions does your sofa have?
When they say "What difference does that make?", I know 4 things:
1. They have an internet price and are shopping for a better deal.
2. There is nothing I will be able to do for them.
3. The only thing they can do for me is to waste my time.
4. They ain't gettin' no love from me.
I immediately give them a price assuming that they have 3 seat and 3 back cushions, 4 toss pillows to be made out of the same fabric, and 3 sets of arm guards because their kids/ grandkids eat Cheetos while watching TV and use the sofa as their personal napkin.
Before they can tell me my price is outrageous, I clarify that my price is for labor only. It does not include the 23 yards of fabric you will need, nor any prep work for the sofa, such as vacuuming or cleaning, and if they cannot bring their sofa to my studio I will gladly pick it up for a nominal fee.
On rare occasional Mr./Ms. General Public will thank me for my time and hang up. Usually they will say something condescending or obnoxious to let me know that they do not appreciate me wasting their time, then they will hang up. (Yes, I know they called me, but let's not let facts interfere with the issues.)
Why use slipcovers:
1. You can save money, even on high end ones.
2. You want to save the fabric already on the furniture. Many reasons for this: sentimental, may go back to those colors in the future, you use the slipcover half the year for those colors and the upholstered fabric the other half, you want to protect the upholstered fabric, etc.
3. You like the look of slipcovers.
gene
Quote from: bobbin on October 29, 2013, 01:18:44 pm
Dede, I did the "hover thing" and didn't pick up Velcro on the arm chair... where were you looking?
Every "factory" slipcover I've seen (except IKEA, and granted my sample size is small) has Velcro under the arms. Maybe more upscale furniture/slipcover combinations don't have it. I know my mom's loveseat does. I have been known *ahem* to um... take a quick look at the furniture store samples (yeah, my kids just love that...).
Great replies. Dede, thanks for the explanation, I've only encountered zippers on the outside backs (usually very lightweight coil or "invisible zippers"). I will have to be more observant the next time I'm in a furniture store (which isn't very often!).
Like Gene, when asked for a "ballpark" price on a basic sofa I give a price based on the number of cushion covers required. If the person is unable to provide the number I always figure on 6, as well. And I tell them I will "firm up the price" when I see the piece. I, too, encounter a good deal of "sticker shock", and I understand that.
My theory is that we live in a time when many people really have no real idea how to make things or perform basic construction/repair work. I can't tell you the number of people I encounter who have no idea at all how to approach a basic repair on marine canvas or even clothing. If there is a tear or a hole they think you slap a patch on it and that's it. There is no understanding that frequently you have to undo seams before "patching" and then those seams have to be resewn. The notion that any forensic analysis to identify the source of the wear/failure is important escapes them entirely. I find that making the time to explain why it costs more goes a very long way in building customer confidence and it's remembered. Most of my customers come back because I've made the time to speak with them about the work; maybe this goes back to Gene's theory on validation?