I have recently developed a bad habit of not buying tools. When I had my "straight job" (and a predictable paycheck) I always bought tools. But, as you know, you need things for your own business and when the money coming in isn't as "predictable" as the pay from a straight job you tend to hesitate more. I finally pulled the trigger on a servo motor and new bench top for my overlock machine, and two punches and a nice mallet to make grommetting easier. Do you find that you've fallen into the "afraid to spend money for capital investment" rut, too? It's weird, I never used to be like this, lol.
Nope, I figure if a tool or purchase can make me more efficient, it will make me money in the long run.
Interesting story I heard a while ago. A company supplied tools to their staff and had a problem with loss, abuse, theft, misplacement, left on the job, etc. They decided they'd give each artisan (gender-neutral term for craftsman, Karen), a monthly tool allowance, and they had to buy their own tools and keep them in shape. Big tools, it make take a couple of months' allowance to buy or replace. Loss, damage, and abuse almost instantly stopped and their net tool expense reduced.
Hammer., I really admire you! I am so freaked out by my limited "means" the very thought of buying anything scares the livin' daylights out of me. It doesn't matter that I've bankrolled expenses, the point is I can't quite get past immediate revenue. I'm so afraid I won't be able to meet the NEXT wave of expenses. I've done the arithmetic. I've planned. But I'm still freaked out. Perhaps I ought to curse my Depression era parents? (lol)
The kids are grown. The mortgages are paid. I find that I now have the discretionary income for all those tools, gadgets, and oddball supplies that I used to only drool over in a catalog.
I remember Kody talking recently about how him and his co-workers had to wait 3 weeks for their boss to order a case of 3/8" staples. Heck, I don't have any co-workers, and I get nervous if I even get down to my last full case.
But I certainly remember the days when I had to wear tools down to a nub before replacing. And making do with inferior equipment because just about everything seemed like a luxury item.
I used to break my back schlepping heavy furniture just to avoid paying a helper 10 bucks.
We upholsterers are a frugal bunch. It's in our very DNA.
All is understandable, over time I have concluded that, for me the direction to go in is buy any tool at a high quality ...........that will enhance through put in the shop. Definitely, it will cost more to not buy the tools, has been the education. It is a given the work flows in at a rate that is already more than will ever get done if the proactive approach isn't taken.
In addition to adding newer better improved equipment to the shop, I have become very conscious of time required to do jobs and equally there is focus on how to do the the same job better in less time.
For example, there is a certain project that I frequently get from a large corporate customer which 12 hours was awarded to do the job. I knew how to do the job but after giving thought to how I was doing it and how could the time to do work could be reduced, within two months that example project is being done now in 5 1/2 hours. I still get paid for 12 hours. That is a substantial pay increase, the most casual observer would pick up on. One of the things I bought is a higher level of battery powered hand equipment and more of them. Yes, I now have three highest quality battery powered drills, when I started doing these projects, had one. Analysis of the work routine concluded that I was changing drill bit and screw equipment sizes a good number of times during project procedure. This direction alone reduced wasted time changing devices in the drills. That is only one change I made, sure it took a few bucks, these professional pieces of gear were around $250 each. But, believe me, I paid for them after two projects. It would still be costing me much had I not bought the equipment. I could go on and on to cover the actions taken but the point is clear. If you have the volume and get a fair price for the work, then clearly, it cost not to endeavor in this direction. Physical benefits are amazing, I can now do more than two projecs in the initial time and not tire nearly as much.
When I started out, this was not the case, why now, several reasons and I have given insight.
BTW, I see potential to reduce this 12 hour project down to about 4 1/2 or a little under 5 hours. Hours saved - is money - for there is plenty of work waiting. It all started by applying the mind in that direction. Personally, it sure makes business more fun, I can't get enough of it!
Loving what I do.
Doyle
Quote from: sofadoc on September 20, 2013, 02:07:48 pm
We upholsterers are a frugal bunch. It's in our very DNA.
10-4, but being frugal will not make you wealthy. I'm guessing once the kids were out of the house and you started spending more freely your income went up.
Bobbin, I'm not saying to bust the bank but invest in your business wisely. Make a list of those must have tools and buy them as you can afford them. Revisit this list often and add or delete tools as needed. Set up a budget and buy those tools one at a time. This will make it much less "scary". Your looking at the whole picture but if you approach it a little at a time it becomes less daunting.
What is your next "most important" tool? There is a good chance somebody on this page has one they're trying to unload and at a good price.
My next "tool" is probably going to be an industrial buttonholer. When I ordered the servo and new bench top for my overlock machine I asked about a couple of models that could be purchased reasonably on the used market. I hope to be able to buy one for about 1K; they're rather specialized and don't generally show up on places like Craigslist but I look regularly because you never know!
(making 40 buttonholes on the dining chair slips. last week took a pretty long time and and was tough sledding for my 1982 Kenmore zig-zag. Poor thing)
This is a question I've wrestled with for years. How much should you pay for something that will produce x amount of time savings. There are many times that spending say, $250.00 on a tool will produce enough time savings over a short period of time that the purchase is worth it. Other times, the expense is for something that either doesn't save that much time or only gets used for a special purpose that doesn't arise all that often.
Another issue for me has been making jigs and fixtures that speed up a process. Should I invest the time to make them so I can save 7 minutes on each piece, or should I just take the extra time, finish it and move on to the next job? It depends on how much time it will take to make, how much time will be saved and how often it'll get used. Sometimes, we don't know what to expect on the time to make the jig or the amount of time it'll be used even if we do know the time savings.
I think a good way to make "educated" decisions is to know the cost of an hour of our time (since time is what we really are selling) and plug that into our decision process. Then, we can compare the cost of an item or the time it takes to make something to speed up the process vs. the profit benefit.
Rich
Being the tool freak that I am. I love tools. Especially when they allow me to do a job faster or better. I look at it this way. An investment in a business is a good thing. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it sits on a shelf. But that doesn't really bother me. I like good tools and will pay for them when I need something. I won't buy them on credit or anything but will buy what I can afford.
Quote from: MinUph on September 21, 2013, 07:58:43 am
Being the tool freak that I am. I love tools. Especially when they allow me to do a job faster or better. I look at it this way. An investment in a business is a good thing. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it sits on a shelf. But that doesn't really bother me. I like good tools and will pay for them when I need something. I won't buy them on credit or anything but will buy what I can afford.
Same here. I'm still wrestling with the idea of buying that decorative nail gun that's sold at the top of this page.
But not only would I be looking at $600 for the gun, but since it requires an air compressor with an output of at least 7 SCFM, I'd be looking at another $500-$600.
ALSO, all of the air compressors that size appear to be 220 V. So I would have to re-wire my shop to accommodate it.
So now, I'm looking at $1200-$1500 for a tool that will probably only save me about 5 hours per year (I don't get all that much nailhead work nowadays, and besides...... I'm pretty damn fast with a tack hammer).
And there has been some posts suggesting that the tool is difficult to control, and leaves scratches on the nailheads.
I've bought a lot of tools that just gather dust. But this one, I just can't seem to "pull the trigger" on.
Quote from: bobbin on September 21, 2013, 03:27:24 am
My next "tool" is probably going to be an industrial buttonholer.
Please provide updates so that I may live vicariously through you. I lust...
We made over 5000 buttons in a week on a couple of manual machines.
ow... my arm... We really thought about investing in a pneumatic version, but they are no faster (just less physical). And they're fussy and complicated, need a compressor, etc.
Quote from: sofadoc on September 21, 2013, 08:42:27 am
Quote from: MinUph on September 21, 2013, 07:58:43 am
ALSO, all of the air compressors that size appear to be 220 V. So I would have to re-wire my shop to accommodate it.
So now, I'm looking at $1200-$1500 for a tool that will probably only save me about 5 hours per year (I don't get all that much nailhead work nowadays, and besides...... I'm pretty damn fast with a tack hammer).
And there has been some posts suggesting that the tool is difficult to control, and leaves scratches on the nailheads.
I've bought a lot of tools that just gather dust. But this one, I just can't seem to "pull the trigger" on.
My compressor runs so much better on 220 I always add a 220 line for it. Not a big deal to run.
We get A LOT of nail trim these days all close. Chairs, walls, headboards. I did a job several months ago. 3 temp. walls upholstered both sides and nails around all sides tops and bottoms. I bet I ran through 6 boxes of nails. I would have liked the gun I think. I too am pretty fast with a tack hammer but the amount of nails I dive nowadays I think the nailer would be a good investment.
Rich, you and I are on the same page. There are LOTS of things I'd love to buy, but I have to be practical and do the arithmetic to determine how quickly the "investment" will be repaid since my "open to buy" is limited and I don't have an "history" of income on which to rely!
I already own many of the less expensive items. But there is machinery (= $$) that I'd like to add to the "fleet" and I'm nervous about spending the money at a time when current revenues are still unpredictable.
Quote from: MinUph on September 21, 2013, 07:58:43 am
Being the tool freak that I am. I love tools. Especially when they allow me to do a job faster or better. I look at it this way. An investment in a business is a good thing. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it sits on a shelf. But that doesn't really bother me. I like good tools and will pay for them when I need something. I won't buy them on credit or anything but will buy what I can afford.
I havnt bought anything on
credit in years I learned long ago when I got married that money trap I spend what I can somtime more then I probably should loike currently im in the middle of improving my shop to be able to work better in cool comfort spending money at a time that work is dead but even today got it wired for the ac unit ive got abo0ut $900 to go but in the end it will be worth it espicialy come next july
PS Bobbin seems you don't work at your at your straight job. I didn't hear that you quit, is your husband still working?
There really is a chance to go overboard, too. Several examples that I know of:
I attended the estate sale of a founding member of the woodworking club. I never saw that he ever made anything, but there were 104 sets of four C-clamps in 3" and 4" sizes. Just what the heck was he thinking when he bought his 400-404th C-clamps, I might need 412 C clamps for a glue up some day? Likewise there were 4 tables of art supplies, most of which looked like there was one squeeze of paint out of the tube.
I used to work with a guy who I dubbed, "The kind of guy that Radio Shack loves to see walk in." He was trying to liquidate from a number of different hobbies that sputtered out-- photography, RC airplanes, HAM radio, etc.
Woodworkers, especially those into hand tools are known to over do it. A guy might have 100 different hand saws and dozens and dozens of hand planes, all virtually the same except for size variations, manufacturer, etc. You could get by with 4 different hand saws and 3 or 4 planes.
One of my former customers (his retail furniture store went bankrupt during the great recession) got into home improvement (semi-retired). He'll think nothing of buying a $900 paint sprayer for one job, a power saw for another etc. On the other hand, he gave me about 100 partial cans of lacquers and a power miter saw that only needed a $2.50 spring reset.
But not me, nope, I don't have a tool problem.
Quote from: bobbin on September 21, 2013, 01:23:06 pm
I already own many of the less expensive items. But there is machinery (= $$) that I'd like to add to the "fleet" and I'm nervous about spending the money at a time when current revenues are still unpredictable.
I understand your concerns.
I was moving into more polycarbonate windows on the enclosures I do. The consew 206 would sew it, but it was a chore, so it made me hesitant to quote it. Since this was the path I wanted to go, I bought a new juki 1541 last year with a needle positioning servo motor. I sew poly now without any headaches, well worth money spent.
Eric
I do t want to derail bo vins thread Eric can you pm me a out this nedle positioning servo. What it does?
Quote from: byhammerandhand on September 21, 2013, 03:11:49 pmBut not me, nope, I don't have a tool problem.
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BTW Hammer. how many of those clamps did you buy at the sale?
Rich
Yeah, Mike. I'm all done at my "straight job". It was the last round of mega covers in heavyweight coverlite that iced it for me. I'm not gettin' any younger and dragging that stuff up and over a machine bench was a total drag. Ditto pool covers. The husband is working at a new job that he loves. It's been a long time since I've felt any nervousness about spending money on major tools!
Servos and needle positioning is a great, Mike. Two of machines are set up that way. Servos allow you to move the needle one stitch at a time, you can set the machine to stop with the needle up or down, and they're basically silent... no hum. I can't wait to convert my overlock machine to a servo.
I'm not saying...
Quote from: Rich on September 22, 2013, 04:02:29 am
BTW Hammer. how many of those clamps did you buy at the sale?
Rich
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Some may think this issue is being "gummed" for sure. In a discussion, as expected there are many perspectives all valid but can be subjective.
Bobbin I trust your judgment, you aren't going to do anything foolish. Kody, I think made it simple, he said have a plan and buy it as you go and with priority. Also, some have suggested looking for good quality used equipment which will save a bundle. Some also say, yes tools are great but if you don't use them regularly, throttle back. These are examples of different perspecives and are sound reasoning for the situation.
Another perspective rolled up into this issue is what does the business support when making a decision. A logical question to crank into the decision what does the business volume support? If the worker is slammed with work, then upgrading is less of a brainer. If the work load isn't sufficient to keep the worker busy, then saving time isn't the same priority is it, for buying something to get done faster could create more idle time.
The opposite situation where there is more work than time, then it is time to see what will help that situation. This situation will vary from shop to shop.
Mostly, what we are talking about is a lot of common sense regarding each shops situation.
Paul needs a automatic decorative nailer, another shop says "don't do enough?. I had a series of chairs last month and did an inordinate number of nails by the old method. Sure started to pull the trigger for a nailer. If the nail requirement picks up, and may, it will get bought. At this point, it isn't clear what the volume will be over the next two or three years?
Personally, my business continues to grow and I thought the recession would throttle it back. Well, there has been impacts, but the management decisions I made was to go in different directions and the result is; business is better than ever. I don't do the same things, in the same volume, as years past but the adjustments of adapting to better opportunities is paying off.
There is no shortage of work these days, so time is precious, I continue to look for ways to maintain quality or better and save a few minutes here and there. It is working for me, but that is just a perspective.
A small, relatively low cost tool, was purchased yesterday that saved about 20 minutes on a 4 hour job and I expect the requirement to come up regularly. I bought a wiggle tail (swivel device) for a small metric rachet system. The brand "Snap on", it replaces one that wasn't as petite nor refined to work into tight places on truck seat repair work. Other work was waiting, so easier to justify. If it meant sitting waiting for the next job 20 minutes longer, well would it have been the same prioriy?
The little things can become important things. as well as major enhancements often do. I have a vision of what could be done with computer and a digitizer system in the patterning activities of the business. A little more cost but justifiable based on business volume. This makes business more interesting (and profitable) because enhancements in a growing business environment creates a circle. One allows things to get done better and faster which draws more consumer appeal which calls for greater efficiencies!
Fun stuff, is this experience happening for you?
Doyle
Bobbin:
What your experiencing is very normal. Actually, you have a better grasp on things then some new business owners who I have seen spend themselves into bankruptcy. It is normal for intelligent people like yourself to fret over expenditures with a new business simply because your steering a ship in uncharted waters. You have no idea what next week will bring or for that matter next month. In time and once you have some operating experiences under your belt your going to know your cash flow position much better.
As a rule of thumb I keep several thousand dollars in the bank in the event I run into a slow period. Turns out I am into a slow period right now. I wont draw that savings down below $ 2 K. When I bought my new twin needle I waited till I had my account built up and then made my purchase preserving my rainy day fund.
Speaking of which, the twin needle was one of the smartest things we ever did. I have to credit my lovely and intelligent wife who pushed me into the purchase telling me " your kidding right ? You don't think this will pay for itself in a short period of time ". I pulled the trigger and it paid for itself in a little more then a months time just through time savings.
In regards to my woodshop, those purchases are all made from my fun money account. Woodworking is a hobby and has nothing to do with our business. It is a place for me to go and relax, have fun and enjoy time out of the Up-Shop. If I need a tool, I but it. I am grateful when my wife spent thousands on new machines for me as a retirement gift back in 2000. Now all I buy are little things like a new Porter Cable Lithium tool set ( drill, recip saw, impact driver, etc. ). One of my favorite purchases as of late was a pocket hole Jig I bought. fairly cheap but I love that stupid thing. :)
I don't think twice when buying something for the woodshop but analyze the hell out of everything I buy for the business. Crazy I know. Must be the years and years of doing cost benefit studies on major equipment for my previous employer that drove me to that mindset. :)
Your going to be fine Bobbin. :)
Chris
I have to chuckle at this thread. I am a machine junkie, no question about that! I just think sewing machines are cool; I love that they're designed for specific purposes and I love how they've evolved as technology has progressed over time. I have quite an armada now; the variety reflects my ever evolving interests (clothing/marine/awning) and my interest in clothing and adding more refined/"tailored" details to slipcovers is what has me interested in a commercial buttonholer. I know I would use it because it wouldn't be limited to one narrow aspect of my business. But finding the right machine for the right money will be the "bugger".
This is the same for all businesses. Great young guy with a new landscaping business is doing some work for us and we talked about this very thing on Friday. He was freaked out about buying a mini-excavator because of uncertain cash flow and the seasonal aspect of landscaping in New England. His accountant asked about the money he was spending to rent a mini., and suggested that the price of a quality used machine would more than pay for itself when looked at through the prism of a defined time line. He bought one and has found it saved him both time and money when the logistics of scheduling a rented pc. of equipment was factored into bids.
So, I think the real key is to think about the timeline for a "capital investment", too. $1K is a lot of cabbage for a new business with uneven cash flow, but viewed as a time saving machine that has multiple applications for various aspects of that business its value can viewed differently.
(good move on the double needle, Chris. Is yours a split needle bar or a single? split is more versatile for garment work because you can leave one needle buried, turn the work and use the two in unison; think topstitching on dungarees.)
Bobin can i ask how you got sewing eork while you were at your normal job? Did you advertise of word of mouth not from work contacts? I used to worry myself sick. When i eould get slow. But before i actualy ran out i have alway had something turn up to keep me busy.
Even this past year. But this was the first time i did run out. For a week i had nothing to to. But ive gotton calls and a cover to do tomorow and more quote schedualed neck wee and a couple maybes fron last week. Ive beed soley living on this buisness alone for the last 21 years
I came from a clothing background and worked in tailoring and alterations for many years. I had a nicely established client base and there was no conflict of interest. Now I've begun to cast a wider net and my locations gives me a nice "jumping off point" to a different market than my former employer's base.
Hammer-OK, I see, you bought all of them.
Doyle- I'm almost always behind in shop maintenance, improvement, cleanup, organization etc, I'd use those extra 20 minutes easily!
Rich
Bobbin:
It is a single bar machine. It has a 1/2 " set up. Everything I sew in regards to canvas products is double stitched so this was a no brainer. It has really cut down on the time. The split car's were pretty expensive and since this machine will be used primarily for straight stitch runs I went with the single car.
I sew binding, curves and everything else with my Chandler. My wife stole the Juki 563 from me. She loves that machine. :)
Chris