My saved searches on ebay include the pneumatic clinching tool that one of the members posted a couple months back. I can't justify the expense for myself but thought if anyone could get more use out of it: Seller says he has a couple on the shelf
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hartco-Wire-Clinch-Tool-Model-65-/280818204672?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416211c000
That's actually a great price for that tool. But having said that, 200 bucks is still hard for any small shop to justify. Maybe if you had a lot of restaurant booths to do. I only gave $75 for mine. If the bidding had got up to $200, I probably would've bailed.
But again, for any shop that would use one fairly often, that's a good deal.
No bids. Maybe they'll drop the starting bid.....or maybe I'll ask.
Sofa got a great deal on his gun. I'm always leery of buying used tools. They have to be a good price and I need to test it first. I bought my Heartco wire clinch tool from a guy going out of business. Don't remember what I paid 25 years ago but it was cheep and is one of my favorite tools. Never a lick of trouble.
Here's another brand:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vertex-Pro-Clinch-4-5-Pneumatic-Clip-Tool-PC4-1020-/160689887741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2569dd19fd
There was one that sold for a final bid of $180 last night.
Great deal for a brand new one.
didnt way in the add so what is a clinching tool used for?
Quote from: Mike on February 24, 2012, 05:11:59 pm
didnt way in the add so what is a clinching tool used for?
Obviously, you haven't followed my movie career closely. :D So here it is once more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub69I7GTJjI
BTW It's also used for assembling lobster traps.
Just finished a repair on a 20 year old sofa. The tight seat was starting to sag but the cover (leather) was still in good shape. I replaced the foam but what really helped firm it up was adding two wires across the springs where none were before. They loved it. Should be good for another 20.
Hog rings and pliers $43.
$18 for pliers and $25 worth of hot rings.
Never a problem
Always work
No complaints.
Besides how many from scratch seat springs and webbing are you guys putting together?
I do furniture and antiques and it's not to many anymore.
Quote from: OneBoneHead on March 25, 2012, 12:11:51 pm
Hog rings and pliers $43.
$18 for pliers and $25 worth of hot rings.
Never a problem
Always work
No complaints.
We'll have agree to disagree on this one. I think that hog rings are totally worthless for connecting stake wire to no-sag springs. And BW clips loosen up within a month or two.
I mainly use the Hartco clincher for making repairs from the bottom on warranty jobs for furniture stores, and repairing restaurant booths. I use a 12 gauge stakewire, which is heavier than the original wire. I promise you, when I crimp the 12 ga. wire to the no-sags with the Hartco clincher, it'll survive a nuclear holocaust.
Sofas right on this one. My most common use is when retying spring edge seats. I'd be lost without it. Huge time saver. Hog rings might work to fasten the edge roll but I wouldn't use them to fasten wire to spring. To loose, to noisy.
LOL, is the same procedure being referenced?
Bonehead, I understand is suggesting the economy of using hog rings to mount coils on webbing, isn't he?
Sofa is installing stabilizer wires across no sag springs, right?
Then, there is a reference by Cody to using another clip on coil spring edge wires.
If I have it right, all is interesting but on different pages.
Question:
Sofa where is a supplier for the 12 ga. stabilizer wire that you are installing? What you are doing does make a very firm seat. It makes me want one of the air clinching tools! Back to the 12 ga. wire, I think what my supplier sells me is one size smaller and I often wish it was stronger.
The K- clips are what I use on coil edge wire operations, I think? Does the K-clip have an insulator inside? My wire clip does not and I need a source for the clip you guys with the clincher, it does have the insulator - right?
For those with smaller needs, which manual pliers do you suggest are best for installing the insulated clips that the clinch tool installs neumatically?
By the way, the insulated clip, that is installed by the clinch tool is also used in auto no sag springs, so it would be useful there also.
Maybe I have all this clip stuff, hog ring use, and such sorted out?
I could use some of those insulated clips, for furniture and auto work, and perhaps a better plier to crimp them manualy. Right now I don't have enough to justify the air clincher, but at $75, one can't afford not to jump!
Doyle
I can only answer for myself. I'm referencing the procedure in the youtube video in my earlier post.
The 12 ga. stake wire is paper wrapped. After many many calls to Hickory Springs in NC, I finally got them to sell me a 2000 ft roll for about $100 (including shipping). Thanks to Kody for turning me on to that source.
The clips are NOT insulated (since the wire is paper wrapped). The clip is a Hartco HR-24 seen here: http://www.staplersandstaples.com/shopping/Products/Stanley-Bostitch-Hartco-HR-CLP-24-Clip__HR-CLP-24.aspx
The nose of the clincher will fit between the bends of no-sag springs, making it easy to do repairs from the bottom without removing anyything.
Here is another brand of the Hartco clincher:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vertex-Pro-Clinch-4-5-Pneumatic-Clip-Tool-PC4-1020?item=160689887741&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7273824019775074021
It currently is selling $699.99 OBO. One of them sold last month for under $200.
If you really need something insulated, there is always the BW clip and matching pliers;
http://www.rochfordsupply.com/shop/Upholstery_Accessories/Springs_and_Accessories/BW_Clip/index.html
That's what I meant. Attaching coil springs to webbing.
In the old days, we hand tied each spring individually to the webbing. A friend who has been doing upholstery since Johnson, told me to use hog rings and pliers to save time.
The guy who originally taught me upholstery and to tie each spring to the webbing has been doing upholstery since Kennedy. He still hand ties each and every one.
I'm pretty new to this. I've only been doing upholstery since little Ronnie Reagan. Yes after he became a Demarcate.
Correction. Republican. Sorry, I'm an old Soviet Style Proletarian and get them confused all they time.
Thanks dennis (Sofadoc) the H-24 clip and the 12 guage insulated wire is the combo I am going to get. I have a pair of pliers that will install the clip but it isn't the gee whiz you have.
At a good price and since I could also use it for auto zig zag work, I could justify a neumatic clinch tool. First I will get the clip and then see how my pliers work. They are very old and should work but it makes sense the save the joints.
Thanks for the clarifications, I have the insulated BK clips for their desired application. That was a good price your reference has (around $9 lb.).
The volume of new furniture needing spring repairs is growing a bit, so this information is really good to have.
Thanks again,
Doyle
Yeah, for attaching coil springs to webbing, I always used hog rings until I recently acquired a Klinch-It gun from a shop that went "belly-up". In Mike's how-to videos, he did it the hog ring way. I know that purists might scoff at that method, but it always worked well for me. I use a Klinch-It gun now only because I have one to use.
I was doing simple upholstery jobs in the family business during the Nixon administration. But Gerald Ford was the first president to collect any income tax as a result of my upholstering skills.
Yep the hog ring method for securing coils to webbing is the cheapest way and lately the volume of dealing with coils has dropped. I got my klinch tool long ago and I will continue to use it, I don't have a clue what one would cost new today, but there are good used one around if one should want to go in that direction.
The Klinch tool is good for getting into tight places and most of the time it doesn't leave a barb for someone to tear up their hands.
I wonder if coils will come back strong someday? Probably not in my life time, especially in new furniture because eveyone (almost) wants to buy cheaper.
Doyle
Quote from: OneBoneHead on March 26, 2012, 05:32:54 pm
That's what I meant. Attaching coil springs to webbing.
In the old days, we hand tied each spring individually to the webbing. A friend who has been doing upholstery since Johnson, told me to use hog rings and pliers to save time.
The guy who originally taught me upholstery and to tie each spring to the webbing has been doing upholstery since Kennedy. He still hand ties each and every one.
I'm pretty new to this. I've only been doing upholstery since little Ronnie Reagan. Yes after he became a Demarcate.
Aah now it all makes sense. Your talking apples and were talking oranges. I'm afraid I attach springs to webbing the "old days way". (a real time killer).
Wasn't Regan a democrat
before he was a republican? Or is that your point? ;)
The first president I voted for was Jimmie Carter. I was young and naive. They really should raise the voting age to 30. The prefrontal cortex responsible for reasoning and judgment continues to develop even into adulthood.
Doyle: If you'll PM your address to me, I'll send you some sample wire and clips along with the info on ordering the wire from Hickory Springs.
It was about a 4 week ordeal getting the wire. They really don't want to sell to individuals. I kept getting passed around from office to office, branch to branch. Finally, a guy named Dennis Setzer took care of me. Why is it that all guys named Dennis are such swell guys? ;D
BTW Reagan switched to the Republican party in '62, saying "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the party left me". But he continued to sympathize with Dems such as JFK.
When you're young, you're idealistic and think you can change the world.....you're a Democrat.
You get a little older....a little smarter....you get a little money in your pocket (and you want to hang on to that money)....you become a Republican.
You get even older....and start worrying about pensions, Social Security, Medicare, etc. ........you go back to being a Democrat. ;)
Quote from: DB on March 26, 2012, 06:05:40 pm
I wonder if coils will come back strong someday? Probably not in my life time, especially in new furniture because eveyone (almost) wants to buy cheaper.
Doyle
A lot of new furniture have no springs at all. Just some kind of girdle fabric, stretched over the seating area, that breaks down after about one year. How are we supposed to fix that?
Adjustable air bladders are the future! Stuff a big plastic bag up under the deck where the springs used be and hit it with an air chuck. That's a waiting retrofit market if there ever was one. Hey, if Sofa can have intergalactic clientele, I can use air bladders dammit.....
I like that idea. Like a sleep number bed,
http://www.sleepnumber.com/sharedpages/frontendcomponents/specificcomponents/b2c/video/player.cfm?xrefvid=28
Make it as firm or soft as you want.
I already got a catchy slogan:
ARE YOU MADDER CAUSE YOUR BLADDER IS FLATTER? DON"T BE SADDER......WE CAN MAKE IT FATTER, THEN YOU'LL BE GLADDER!!
I'm gonna get a seperate listing in the Yellow Pages under "Bladder control".
This brings us full circle......clinching tool.....then bladder control....and right on back to clinching tool. :o
I just made my first post asking if anyone had used a TH-T-DECO1 pneumatic decorative canister nailer by Uffy and I notice on their website they also make a Hartco tool TH-T-M66. Does anyone have experience with this tool or pricing? I cannot find too much information.
(https://forum.upholster.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuffytools.com%2Fimages%2Ftools%2FTH-T-M66.jpg&hash=bea8de6d3df2b1d09d58d4f1abae1a00)
http://uffytools.com/TH-T-M66.html (http://uffytools.com/TH-T-M66.html)
I have a Heartco clenching tool. It was old when I bought it 25 years a go and have never had a problem with it. Are you sure the tool in your diagram is a Hertco. The web site says Advanced Affiliates. Maybe there just the supplier?
Regardless, its a handy tool if you can get it at the right price.
Quote from: kodydog on April 30, 2012, 05:00:39 pm
I have a Heartco clenching tool. It was old when I bought it 25 years a go and have never had a problem with it. Are you sure the tool in your diagram is a Hertco. The web site says Advanced Affiliates. Maybe there just the supplier?
Regardless, its a handy tool if you can get it at the right price.
The tool I show is from the tool maker "Uffy Tools." The parent company is Advanced Affiliates (hence the logo and link). The tool does exactly what the old Hartco and new Bostich tool does. Perhaps your tool and staple distributor may know more.
Hartco technically no longer exists as it was bought by Bostich a few years back.