First would be what is the best way to make a pole pocket or do you need to? The cover I need to make will require a pole. Note this would be my first attempt.
Thread i know everyone recomends tendra what size 92 or 138?
Ive had more calls for covers than interiors lately figiure its time to learn. just need to make some adjustments to my sewing table and we will give it a try
Thanks Jeff
A pole pocket. Do you meen your cover will need to cover a ski pilon?
If so theni just make the cover with a hole for it then neasur how high the pole is above the cover
make a cilinder with a cap. Theeee was a thread here about the math on what to cut I think pie or somthing todo with the diameter of the circle
just sew it tithe cover
Mike i mean where a tent pole would fit into the underside of the cover to tent up the cover near the back of the cover so water will run off
Oh I like the poles with a snap on top just sew a pad with a female snap to the corect spot on the cover
do the same if it's a gromett tip. Cut put a gromett throught the whole cover
I use a square vinyl patch with a female socket in the middle and sew the patch under the cover. Than, I use an adjustable mooring pole with a stud at the end.
Those pockets never work to hold the pole in place. I'm always surprised when I find one on a cover as they're notoriously ineffective. Almost anything will work better to keep your pole in place under the cover. Like Regal, I put in a patch (I like scrap Strataglass) with a female snap button to attach the snap end of the pole. Put the snap in your patch before sewing it on. You'll never get to the center of the cover with a snap tool because the throat isn't large enough.
If the pole is one with the grommet point, I'll put in a #3 grommet for it to go through. Problem with grommets and using that type of pole is that the cover will billow up in a breeze and the pole will fall unless it's fastened down really tightly.
June
meen thebgrimett type June right ?
I've seen plenty where the pole fell over when the wind lifted the co er
I make my patches round regal then you don't make s mistake eith the squares orentation
Thanks for the ideas you guys know what works.
Last question looking on labor hrs to make a cover for an 18ft bow rider I found on marine fabricators labor times not sure what a pass means but looks like any where from 8 to 16 hrs is that right? I know will take longer on the first bunch I do. How do you guys figure labor hours I have my labor rate justlooking for hour rates
i've wondered about the pass thing in the fabricators times
I think its just the amount of times you sew around the hem of a cover.
Eg. if you only sew binding on the edge thats just one pass
if you sew reinforcement along the hem and fold the raw edge in at the same time
that will be two passes
and if you sew in reinforcement first and then some binding after, that will need 3 passes.
Rich
I take pass to mean a run of fabric side to side on the boat. If your boat is 80" long it will require two passes of 46" wide fabric.
Does anybody else use these things-
http://boatvent.com/products.html#1
we've used them for the last couple years on topgun jobs. We're using them more actually. I like them, makes the tarp look space ship-y. I like the adjusta-vent thing on that link. Hadn't seen them before. Let's you adjust the post from the outside. I guess you'd only need a 3/4" tube without the adjuster fitting. Wonder what they cost though, the normal vent is a little dear. Especially compared to a snap.
Pass i a normal runabout like a 20 foot bowrider will have a cockpit cover made in two passes of canvas about 12' long front the window back ond on the port and one on the starboard with a Seam down the center front to back.
If the passes run front to back, what does a 4 pass boat look like?
I'd say a big beam with 46" canvas
Quote from: jeepdoc on August 10, 2011, 08:43:11 am
Thanks for the ideas you guys know what works.
Last question looking on labor hrs to make a cover for an 18ft bow rider I found on marine fabricators labor times not sure what a pass means but looks like any where from 8 to 16 hrs is that right? I know will take longer on the first bunch I do. How do you guys figure labor hours I have my labor rate justlooking for hour rates
Your hours are heavily dependent on the type of cover. A fitted, snap-on cover will take more hours than a throw-over semi-fitted cover with a drawstring. If you can do your first one in 16 hours, I'd say you're doing well. Depends as well on your personality - do you check, recheck, remeasure everything? Add 4 hours. If you "go for broke" and take chances, subtract 4.
Quote from: Peppy on August 10, 2011, 05:39:08 pm
Does anybody else use these things-
http://boatvent.com/products.html#1
I use them frequently, even on Sunbrella. I like the Vent-So-Port II like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Boat-Cover-Pooling-Pole-Top-Boat-Cover-Vent-Black-/110431372702
with the large wing nut underneath. The old screw-on types I didn't like at all.
June
Hoose time sfardsrts are joke.
I'd never make any money if it took as long as they say or would my customers want to paywhat the job for thoose hours
Yeah I know whatyour saying Mike. Thats the way its been on interior work lately. no way are customers willing right now to pay what that labor time shows. Guess ill shoot from the hip dont think they would be willing to spend at 16hrs even at 50.00 an hour and 350 in materials. Maybe on a real nice boat that the cust actually cares about.
Guess ill throw it out there and see if he bites definately not giving away my labor like on the last full interior I just did just not worth it
Thanks for all the info guys
18' boat is 2 passes/panels/blanks, whatever you want to call them, w/seam
running front to back. Simple cockpit cover to top of windshield with regular dot
snaps already installed in boat can be done in 6-6.5 hours easy. Double that for
over windshield. Add time if you have to install snaps in boat.
No pole pocket. I use a snap patch w/ 3 female dot snaps. You put one snap on
and it's going to come off sometime. The customer will have 2 extras and won't
have to bring the cover back. Put snaps through two layers of scrap vinyl, place
another piece of scrap vinyl between the cover and the snap patch. Sew on in
6" circle pattern. Line snaps up w/center seam. I don't like to sew on square
patches because the corner stitch can cause some odd pulls in the cover and is
prone to cause rips if the pole is too tight. Some of you might not have had a
problem with square patches but I've seen it happen. However, if you turn the
square so it is a diamond w/corners along the center seam the it works fine.
I like and dislike pole vents. the wingnut on the bottom side can grab upholstery
and damage it. I always warn my customers about this when the request the
vent.
I used to love theese cover Did them all day first was top of the window snaped on ,then everybody wanted over the glass and the windows rounded and made it harder. I could fly thought them. We did ( me and my bro) did 8 one day some over the glass and a bow cover on trailer in the yard was easy. A couple were in the water at the dock. Now I hardly see any. But tit did one over the glass on a 30 ish formula last week
Both the boats pictured can be done in 8 hours. The material on both is weathermax 80. 92 Tenara thread, and make snap patch as DBR describes. Pictures are an example of 2 ways to do boats.
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Eric
AtsTHAt's them Eric ya just don't see them here in fl much.
In ant see what I's the two ways youndid them is it the direction of the fabric ?
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Thanks to all that responded we will see what happens going to measure this weekend
Jeff
Mike the black one is a one piece bow/cockpit cover. The green one is
separate bow and cockpit covers
Let me bounce a price off you guys and tell me what you think
I figured 850 for a fitted snap down cockpit and bow cover incl materials too high too low? not too many shops around me to shop prices off of
Thanks Jeff
Depending on how big the boat is, sounds reasonable
Sounds fair to me so
e owners may thinks it more then they want to spend if it's a cheap boat. On a good boat Ok You k kwnwhat a meen a newer sea Ray or formula. Vs a older star craft Or bayliner
A friend of mine at another shop had a good one. After giving a price a customer
would say something like, "The boat only cost me $4,000". His response would be,
"I'm sorry, I don't have any 1975 material and or anyone willing to work for
20 - 30 year old labor rates".
In our area $850 is a steal for an over-window cockpit cover and bow cover. If
you're working from home I can see it. But in a shop with a lot of overhead that
wouldn't cut it. You could almost double that price in our location.
Another thing to consider when pricing is how much an OEM cover would cost.
We offer OEM covers if we can get them. And we won't warrant them. In most
cases the cover you produce will be a better fit and constructed better than
a lot of OEM stuff.
I'm about to do an OEM install on a 26' with cost to customer around
$4,700.00. 3-bow bimini, windscreen, side curtains, aft curtain and over-window
cockpit cover. If we did everything it would be around $5,900.00. The customer
would get a better job, better materials and options. Of course we would have a
lot more time involved having to fit everything.
Don't cut yourself short.
What is your location dbr?
My customer are a bit cheaper y like an area like at lauderdale or Miami. My location is a lower cost area in got a lot
of Midwestern folks and alot from nh actualy ice run into a few that were in my old area. The west coast of fl in my area south o Tampa and north of ft myers is a berry reasonable place to love cost wise House on the water can be had now for 100 to 200k
Around here $850 would be for a cover from the windshield back on a 20'ish boat. Bow cover extra.
Mike I'm in VA just south of DC. So obviously we're in an expensive area.
Gotta charge what you have to in order to stay in business.
Ok here we go for the bayliner I did the interior he wants a full cover made down to the rub rail.
The only problem I see (mabey just a brain fart) is the back boarding platform has a support that runs higher than the rub rail there making it a little hard for a drawstring to work there. I was thinking about anchoring the draw string on either side of the cut out for the support? any other ideas that work?
Im still pushing for a snap on cover
Hat model jeep? Fo you have a pic?
I'd probly if the platform is higher the the rubrail is go over the platform a d have the strap go under it
doing this would creat a tention proble
in the back if you just keep the cover tight to the boat and go above the platform you will need to tie the center of the covr down somehow perhaps a strap could tie to the platform or you could make it cover the platform also Is this to be used in the water? It would be allot asked to I stall for him with a snap on you could do a seperste bow cover and then a cockpit cover But allot of gelcoat can still fade
Quote from: jeepdoc on August 19, 2011, 08:49:22 am
Ok here we go for the bayliner I did the interior he wants a full cover made down to the rub rail.
The only problem I see (mabey just a brain fart) is the back boarding platform has a support that runs higher than the rub rail there making it a little hard for a drawstring to work there. I was thinking about anchoring the draw string on either side of the cut out for the support? any other ideas that work?
Im still pushing for a snap on cover
I always criss cross the draw cord to the tow eyes on opposite sides. Having the
cord come out of the hem at the center is best but if it comes out at either side of
the platform support works just fine.
I don't normaly run the cord to the center I have to go around the outboards and there always alot going on at the dear with powerpoles and tabs
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/Mike8560/covers/photo4-6.jpg
I have the cord I use webbing cont out at the eye on each side and run the strap throught the eye. Holds
the corners o. In the biggest winds and the bow fit nice underrhe point isn't comming off
http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/Mike8560/covers/photo-15.jpg
Then my cover do what they have to to get by the motor with loops the steP goes through to hold it all down snug