I has a r top and mooring cover jop the guy said can I have for July when he gets back I said sure
so he called about weeks and said he would be here for a few days and if I could get to the top that would be great. Sobi work that Saturday and getvthectop on I emailed him as I was contacted and asked if hecused it no reply. So last week he called and said he was here (early) I said ok I'll be over Monday last Monday and pattern it he told me hevea leaving wensday.
I asked well I'll try but can I get paid if he's gone? Oh ya sure
so I finnishedcinstalling it Friday.
I emailed him finnished photos and called h no reply and no awnser. Ok it's the 4th weekend. So finnaly he did reply and said he would be home Tuesday. Ibrepleyed asking home here to Florida. No reply.
I called yeteday at lunch and he awsnered. But was driving. And would be home to his northern home in a while he said he call when he got there.
No call no email no awnser to my calls today even
arrrrhhh
makes ne want to quit
Getchyer money up front!
Ya I've had guys say let me just pay for it now like 300
bucks. Then when your done it rakes all the fun out of it with no payday
I just wish my customers would stay In one place you just can't say do it now and then leave. Cell phone right on your side and you can't awnser
I have similar thoughts.
Why put new fabric on an old Wal Mart cushion insert when you can buy a new Wal Mart cushion cover that has a new insert in it?
I went to SCORE when I started my company. One thing that they preached about the most was do not compete on price. As a small company, you cannot do the volume needed to make a living. And, the big companies will always be better able to beat your prices. You will not succeed, they said.
Best of luck on your new business. Folks who have a right mind, a right attitude, a desire to learn, and the ability to spend a lot of hours in the shop seem to have a lot of luck.
I saw an interview of a guy in NT city. He's 72 and he has repaired stringed musical instruments all his adult life. He said he appreciates the money that he makes, but he will keep working as long as there is something new to learn. What an attitude, huh?
Gene
You lost me gene
Somehow Genes "Greenroom" reply ended up in this thread. Weird!
Mike I do work for a designer who tells me, when a customer pisses her off, she fires them.
Quote from: Mike8560 on July 06, 2011, 05:01:41 pm
Ya I've had guys say let me just pay for it now like 300
bucks. Then when your done it rakes all the fun out of it with no payday
I just wish my customers would stay In one place you just can't say do it now and then leave. Cell phone right on your side and you can't awnser
Yeh, feels like you did it for nothing :( . Even though you already been paid.
Suzi
Mike...if you accept credit cards, maybe you can run it in the beginning of the job and tell them you'll run the final when you're finished. Before you install, run the card. If it goes through, now you have your money. If it doesn't, you don't install.
Also, one thing I started doing is putting a line item on my estimates and invoices stating that the product is my property until paid in full and I retain the right to remove the product if not paid.
GTM...Get the Money.
Half up front, half at delvery, completeion for custom work.
Going on good faith always will always will always get you burnt.
"customer pisses her off, she fires them.'
That hit me so funny ROFLMAO :P
Thanks for that one 8)
Quote from: Hell Bat on July 07, 2011, 07:55:21 am
"customer pisses her off, she fires them.'
That hit me so funny ROFLMAO :P
Thanks for that one 8)
Yep Hell Bat. The neat thing is she and her customers are the absolute best people to work with.
Quote from: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on July 07, 2011, 07:45:32 am
GTM...Get the Money.
Half up front, half at delvery, completeion for custom work.
Going on good faith always will always will always get you burnt.
Ya I vet s deposite. The problem arises when I'm done and theve gone north
I believe most states have a "dry cleaner's law," that goes something like this:
Any garment, clothing, wearing apparel or household goods remaining in the possession of a person, firm, partnership or corporation, on which laundering, cleaning, pressing, glazing or dyeing has been done or upon which alteration or repairs have been made, or on which materials or supplies have been used or furnished, for a period of 6 months or more, may be sold to pay the reasonable or agreed charges and the cost of notifying the owner, after giving notice of said sale...
All persons, firms, partnerships or corporations taking advantage of this section must keep posted in a prominent place in their receiving office or offices at all times 2 notices which shall read as follows: "All articles cleaned, pressed, glazed, laundered, washed, altered or repaired and not called for in 6 months will be sold to pay charges". "All articles stored by agreement and charges not having been paid for 18 months will be sold to pay charges".
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One of my clients has the following on all invoices:
You will have five days to pick up merchandise. After 5 days, there will be a $5 per day / per box fee.
Gene always says, "I'm not in the trucking business." You have to decide if you are in the warehousing and loan business.
Yeah, you're well within your rights to sell items that haven't been picked up. You also have the right to charge a storage fee. BUT, that doesn't prevent the customer from telling EVERYONE in town what a low-down snake in the grass you are. And they ONLY seem to tell THEIR candy-coated version that makes them look like a perfect angel.
I sold a couch that a customer had left at my shop for 3 years after completion. Numerous phone calls were to no avail. When she finally came for it, and found out that I'd sold it, she literally ran out into the street, and began screaming at the top of her lungs that I was a thief. Her family members cussed me out over the phone for months after that.
I'm sure that to this very day, she tells anyone who will listen that I stole her sofa, sold it, and kept the money.
I knew a man in my town who had cheated several investors out of their money. When one of them confronted him demanding his money back, he showed him an "iron-clad" contract that completely absolved him of any liability.
He said "You see, there is NOTHING you can do about it"
The cheated man said "Oh yes, there is!"
He pulled out a pistol, and shot him between the eyes.
I'm saying that just because you have the legal right to sell unclaimed merchandise, you first have to consider the person you're dealing with.
You'd be surprised at how angry a person can get over a couch, or a boat cover.
Legal mumbo-jumbo is only effective when you're dealing with sane, rational people.
The boss once had a deadbeat customer who wouldn't pay. He got so fed up as he drove past the marina on the way to visit family out of town he stopped and took off the unpaid for top then continued on his way. A few hundered klicks down the road a cop pulls him over. Boss thinks it's for speeding, turns out it's for theft. Of the boat top. Turns out the deadbeat was a judge. Couldn't sign a check but could sign a warrant. Had to go to the cop shop and get the judge on the phone to avoid the slammer.
He's been hesitant to do anything too rash ever since.
Seriously, work out the payment before you cut one inch of fabric. We ship custom items all over the world every day, without meeting the customer face to face. Accepting credit cards makes this possible and painless.
Quote from: lunker on July 07, 2011, 07:14:34 pm
Seriously, work out the payment before you cut one inch of fabric. We ship custom items all over the world every day, without meeting the customer face to face. Accepting credit cards makes this possible and painless.
Ditto!
I know it would be very hard to change your busines, but payment up front is the way to go. My line is "Payment secures your place in the schedule" No payment, no spot in the schedule. The consumer really have very little risk when using a credit card. One call to the card company to dispute the charge the card company / merchant account firm hammers you with a back charge. As a shop we do not have that kind of payment protection when the customer fails to pay. GTMUF (Get The Money Up Front)
When dealing with boats and non payment you can easily file a
maritime lien.
http://marineliens.com/MaritimeLiens.asp
Well they notified me they will be back neck week somthing happened
Nobody would pay me here thousands in advce before a job is done.
I just had a do k buil and I would want to pay till it's done. I paid a deposite.
I have always got a deposite to sign and shedluale the job.
I've been doing this for along time
but when I movd to Florida customers were Leary to give a deposite after they have been burned from contractors after hurricanes Fly by night contractors. And where a canvas guy here has to go to them unlike my buisness up north were all work came to m. Gave a deposite and paid the ballance when done and thet picked the boat up that wekend.
But here it's not like that. June would understand
it's just when they tell me they will beee here on this date then they thell me there here early and then leave bcore I'm do e and no word for days ? It's totaly differnt here
they come and go at a whenever. And cell phone on there belt it so easy to call email. But no
Well plan was to be her e today just found out I won't see them till Sunday ;(
figures
there alway one every so often
Maybe you should tell him that if you're not paid on Sunday you would have to remove the canvas until paid in full and in cash!
Well I don't
dis eli e him but that would be the next step I'd take it off
Im sure I could adapt it to fit mine
Quote " It's totaly differnt here
they come and go at a whenever. And cell phone on there belt it so easy to call email. But no "
Relating to cell phone on their belt. Used to work for a Yank mob from Tulsa, operating in the Nor West of Australia, dropping radioactive probes (Am Be 247 and Cs 136) down exploration drill holes, that is, to check for density and porosity, and, had to do a well logging radiation safety course prior.
On the radiation safety course learnt that our red blood cells are made in the pelvis and it is really, really, bad for ones' health to carry a mobile cell telephone on the hip being because the constant electro magnetic radiation the 'phone picks up in the hip / belt area then irradiates the new blood cells (in close proximity ) thus leading to cancer of the blood, ie luekiemia. Moral is, best to keep you 'phone far away from your hip at all times if you want to live longer.
Hoping you prosper, and, do hear your argument about getting paid after the job is completed then leading to a pay day sense of satisfaction and reward. Maybe you could tend to try and get more of the money up front from your jobs and stash it somewhere for later. I mostly hide my deposit money in a coffee thermos. Sometimes mix it up with a fifth flask and drink to mu customers "staggering good health".
Sometimes our faith in human nature gets a little dented but not broken. In the final analysis, main problem is evidently your heart is to big. So, toughen up sunshine.
And, stay cool in the shade.
;D
Good info needles
Quote from: sofadoc on July 07, 2011, 03:58:58 pm
You'd be surprised at how angry a person can get over a couch, or a boat cover.
Legal mumbo-jumbo is only effective when you're dealing with sane, rational people.
A bit like divorce then. :P
Suzi
Ya I went through the divorce thing.
Indodnt have nothing to lose though but my parentel rights it seemed it was all in the mothers favor all the time