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Title: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: stitchm on June 07, 2011, 03:10:51 pm

Does anyone have feedback on the heat welding of vinyl and or acrylics?

What equipment do you use, what are your thoughts on it/the process.

From what I understand the heat welding of acrylic (sunbrella) for awnings requires a fairly elaborate/costly piece of equipment.

Vinyl or thermoplastics can be done with a tool called a hot air welder, and then pressed with a silicone roller......but what are your thoughts on the results it achieves. Is this the tool that is used in refabricating pontoons, or adding a color stripe into vinyl upholstery, without sitching.
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: fragged8 on June 07, 2011, 03:34:16 pm
these days a lot of plastics are ultrasonic welded
like pvc windows into covers, i don't like it as after a short time the
welds can crack.

It's done a lot over here but i steer clear of it.

Rich
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: Allan on June 07, 2011, 10:44:28 pm
I have a hot air welder that is used for plastic welding however i haven't tried it on vinyl yet although only last week i was chasing info up on the subject
I will let you know when i try it

Allan
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: SteveMoke on November 13, 2011, 02:15:39 pm
How did you get on with the hotair welder Allan? I'm looking at doing some rear PVC windows onto an everflex hooding so any info would be great.
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: Allan on November 14, 2011, 01:26:44 am
Hi Steve

The hot air welder that. Have would not be suitable for what you want unless you spend some more dollars to get the proper attachments and I am talking thousands of dollars
I would suggest as Rich said and use an ultrasonic welder maybe
Check the local upholsters some one might have one or one who makes clear blinds might

Allan
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: SteveMoke on November 15, 2011, 12:44:14 pm
Thanks Allan .. I found this company and it may be what I am looking for, I am going to call them for a bit more info and maybe take a drive over as they are only a couple of hours away.

http://www.jhmbuttco.com/acatalog/Shop_Leister_Hot_Air_Tools.html#VR
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: scarab29 on November 15, 2011, 06:00:35 pm
http://www.halldielectric.com/

http://www.leisterusa.com/en/index.html

http://www.weldmaster.com/

http://www.sineqco.com/

Went to a seminar on this @ ifai expo , these guys were there + some but I saw these machines in action. Pretty cool but not for the one off custom stuff I do. Production and factory assembly seems to be their home !
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: SteveMoke on November 16, 2011, 01:01:13 am
Thanks for the links ... hotair is looking like it's the way to go for me, ultrasonic equipment looks to be a far more expensive option and will be way over my budget. The hotair gun and the few attachments I'll need comes in at around the 200 quid mark.
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: fragged8 on November 16, 2011, 10:45:48 am
hiya


I would check it out first Steve, i'm sure I was told hot air is not really any
good for PVC when I was thinking about buying one of those self propelled
ones you can get on ebay.

Rich
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: Jim101 on November 19, 2011, 11:18:59 am
You might want to give HH-66 vinyl adhesive a try.  It bonds vinyl quite well and you don't get that hard easy to crack weld, especially in cold weather, that you get with heat sealing.

Admittedly, the HH-66 adhesive can be messy and ideally you will need to use it outside or in an area with a high level of air exchanging.  The fumes can be overwhelming and there's always the risk of igniting if there's an open flame nearby.   :o

Other than the previously mentioned dangers it's good stuff.

Jim
Title: Re: heat welding of vinyl (thermoplastics)
Post by: JuneC on November 19, 2011, 04:37:40 pm
Jim's dead on with the HH66.  Wonderful stuff!  What I did was go to Sally Beauty Supply and buy a plastic squeeze bottle that hairdressers use to apply hair dye.  They're a comfortable size, very soft plastic (no hand fatigue), with a narrow nozzle tip that works great for controlling the glue.  And cheap.  I could not do without my HH66.  Darren turned me on the stuff many years ago. (thanks Darren!! :-* 0

June