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yes devon top left of page 3 icon right of facebook notifications will alert

I know it notifies you when a 'person' likes your page, I was wondering what happens when a 'page' likes another 'page'.

I think I've had pages like GBU but I don't think it counts under total likes.

I just went through and liked a bunch of stuff as Grey Bruce Upholstery, I was just wondering does it tell you guys anything when a page likes your page?

When my fine wire gun has problems shooting through stuff I use the fatter 'gimp' gun. I was using it today to shoot into a formed fiberglass back rest. I'd have to look to tell the gauge (18?) I think it's 3/16" crown? The legs are way thicker then the fine wire staple. I think the beefier leg has the power to get through whereas the thin legs just tie knots in the fabric.

We use galvo not ss.

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I can't figure out how to grab my Facebook link, but it is     Carol's Golden Needle

This is yours?

https://www.facebook.com/CarolsGoldenNeedle?ref=ts&fref=ts

Never enough upholstery on fb in my opinion! I guess I already like you scarab! Now I like you too jsquail. Maybe I can get my father-in-law to like your guy'ses page too, eh Mike?

My link's in my signature thingy at the bottom of this post.

Modern is a style. It's been a long time since art school so I forget exactly when it was but say it was the '60s, many people decided to paint (and build furniture and what not) a certain way. That style was termed modern. People may still paint in the modern style but it has nothing to do with when they're doing it. Or it might be an adjective, depending if the person went to artschool or not. Contemporary is the same I imagine.

Ya the old colour change due to orientation effect. Sucks. We've been accused of using the wrong colour on parts. Nope, just trying to squeak out a top with too little fabric. Some colours are way worse than others. Happens to us most on convertible tops with the roll back front. The sides cut a different direction to save fabric and you don't really notice till its outside in the sun. OOPS!

I don't know why it's "hit and miss" though. One will/most won't  ???

I think the customers aren't telling use the whole story. I was at the laundromat one day and saw a guy put a top in the washing machine. I tried to tell him it was a bad idea, but he knew everything so I walked away.

Its kind of like the guy who comes back with a new top and says the fabric is really cheap and it 'Just ripped'. Then you find out later from his neighbour on the dock he fell through it trying to get in all pissed up.

We got a couple pieces of that track to try, never used it on a job though. I made a sample and bent it with the heat gun just like awning rail. Worked great. We've never had the guts to try it on a job though.

What do you think about using it on something like 30'-40' Searay?

I thought it would open a different can of worms, and maybe not worth it as opposed to just muscling through the glue job. 'The devil you know...' I'd sure love an alternative though. And it really does look plush. And replacing stained panels with little effort would be a huge bonus. 

We bought a whack of outdura at an auction a year or so ago. Pretty much gone now. It worked fine. Seemed to be real stretchy on the bias and the binding went wonky. Seemed to stretch quite a bit on install. Which was good really because it was easy to stretch out any wrinkles. Frayed more than Sunbrella even when heat cut. Overall though it was okay. Seemed like you could see more light through it than sb? I read its a thicker yarn which would account for that. No complaints from customers and really that's the only important measurement.

Well Doyle, not sure what I can teach you. I just yammer really. If you can find value in my yammering that makes me happy.

My patterning methodology is thus: canvas = paper for patterns, vinyl = dust cloth. You're right that I like to match end material with pattern material. Sunbrella is much like paper when it comes off the roll (as it ages it becomes much more clothy) I've tried using plastic but I find it too unwieldy to pattern with (slippery and hard to see wrinkles) and I don't like all the stretch you can put in the pattern plastic by accident. Also Sunbrella won't stretch at all like the plastic does. Vinyl though has all kinds of stretch and bias movement with out even really trying. That's why I find dust cloth to be a good pattern substrate. It lets you 'cheat' a seam much like you will with the vinyl cover.

I could probably go on all night but I need a beer and have to pee so I'm going to do that.

Ya it's unbelievable how damp Sunbrella sags. Can be bullet tight at lunch in the sun, and the morning it's flapping in the breeze under the dew. Although its the same with a lot of canvas. I've seen it with seamark which I never would of thought. I have pictures somewhere of a seamark top in the AM then in full sun. I was astonished.

Yup mike I see that all the time. I've had to add new ones where they didn't exist too. Sew that gusset sorta thing to the seam then webbing to the gusset, then cut a hole in the seat (I've used a router bit in a normal drill before) and run the webbing through the hole. I've also stitched string like jojo says. Slow but it works. I threaded the thread through a hole in the seat pan if I can. Then you can play with the depth as you play with the skin instead of doing it first. 

That's what I was trying to say mike. It's likely impossible to have a fabric that has every attribute you want with none of the draw backs you don't like. Nothing's perfect, you have to find what works for you and what you like using.

I wonder about your customers complaining about shrinking Sunbrella are right in blaming the fabric. I've seen many tops we've made that appear to have shrunk but its actually the reinforcement that's shrunk. We use rubber waterstop and when you nip it every few inches it fits again. I've seen webbing shrink similarly. And it makes me wonder if they put their top in the washer and dryer.

Lotta sunbrella hate going on in this thread. I think sunbrella's gone for a poop recently myself, but thats only my opinion. I have no actual facts to back it up. We still sell quite a lot of sunbrella and are slow to change horses to be honest. It's worked for a number of years and customers have (almost always) been more than happy with it.

I had some customers demand Sunbrella and after discussions they wanted the Recacril.

I could make a customer want denim backed vinyl. That doesn't mean they'll be happy with it. I know nothing about Recacril (including how to pronounce it) Anybody know what it's marketed under in Canada?

We've been trying out Tempotest. Only black so far, we want to see how it goes over a few years before we do anything rash. I'm putting it on my boat. It seems thicker/stronger than sunbrella but that's pretty easy to achieve really. Put it through an extra chemical bath and voila! I have stood under a new tempotest top in a driving rain and saw mist coming through the weave. I've stood under a new sunbrella top in the same instance and seen similar things.

I have no site-able facts to back up my statements. Sunbrella phoned me at the shop after a sunbrella bashing thread on here. That gives me hope that they care about the problems. Unless it's in my mind black sunbrella has gotten thicker in the last year. We could switch horses and start selling tempotest or stamoid or denim backed vinyl but it's nice to not have to change their minds when they come in wanting sunbrella.

Mojo- I looked through the Business section and didn't notice any fabric threads in a brief look. How about a link? Or a link to any other resources backing up your claims? To be honest your posts read to me as pretty spammy without any documentation.

As for the warp/weft debate my guess would be: a warp faced fabric (like Sunbrella) would stretch less across the weft which is a straight line of string and stretch more along the warp that is going over and under the weft and so has more length to stretch out. Just my guess.

Just to clarify for the non-weavers in the crowd; weft = across the roll, warp = up the roll.