I'm not actually working with Sunbrella, but I'm using some 1000 denier Cordura that is very similar in weight. I need some advice on the type of edge binder and what kind of tape to use to finish the edge of the Cordura. The Cordura is black.
Any suggestions on where to get the binder and edge tape? Thanks.
I'm thinking that it would be something like this, but I don't think this one is for heavy material. The material will be used on a motorcycle project, so I need something for outside applications.
I have a couple binders both of which I bought from Greg @ keystone sewing here on the board. The first one is in-expensive 100 ls binder. Works great and the price is right. The second is the custom angle binder lower on the page i have posted the link for . I use this one for the 1" binding I do on covers and tops , just about anything. It swings away without un-screwing it from the machine deck when not in use. Not cheap @ 280 but the way to go. Greg set it up for my consew before he shipped it and I just screwed it down and started sewing. This is the binder for me !!
http://www.keysew.com/Specials.htm
What type of machine are you using it on?
I'm using it on a Highlead GC0618-1-SC that I bought from Gregg.
I saw one on Miami's website and Sailrite's for about $40. It doesn't have to be a swing-away. I have a 1/4" upturn hemmer that is swing-away, but I always take it off.
Where do you get your binding tape from? Should I use 3/4" or 1"? I would think 3/4" would be enough.
I bought a binder from Sharp Sewing on ebay a couple of years ago. Its a right angle binder and I use the ¾" binding for most boat tops. Occasionally 1" binding is needed for thicker layers of the top or cover but it requires a separate feeder mechanism.
Looking back on it I might not have been so quick to have bought from ebay. I saved about $20.- buying there instead of from Keystone or somebody else.
I originally bought the binder for a Pfaff 1245 but it didn't work no matter how hard I tried. The ad claimed it would work with the 1245. It didn't. I later connected it to the Pfaff 545 and it works fine but I had to grind down a piece of the feed dog that didn't fit right.
The binder sure makes the job a lot easier! Years ago I used to staple the binding to the cover and take the staples out as I sewed the binding on. It actually worked pretty good but I really like using the binder more.
Jim
Where do you get your binding tape from? Should I use 3/4" or 1"? I would think 3/4" would be enough.
I like to use 1" binding on Sunbrella because you get the stitch further away from the edge of the cloth, which is easily frayed. I have seen binding come loose when the edge of the cloth frayed. Just me, maybe?
QuoteOccasionally 1" binding is needed for thicker layers of the top or cover but it requires a separate feeder mechanism
Jim,
Yes, tech support, I received from a company that specializes in setting a machine up with binding capabilities, canvas, carpet, and whatever advised that the feed dog, plate, and feet have to all be included in a binding setup, specific to almost every binding task. Just getting a binder isn't the end of the journey.
If a reader here has the full array of equipment, as referenced above, you might advise how well you are satisfied with such a setup. Just buying the right angle binder itself is probably an improvement but how the full scoop works would be interesting to hear about.
Having been led to believe that a specific array of binding equipment is almost required for every different binding requirement. For example, binding sunvisors, vintage car restoration, would be another case where the equipment would have to be specific to that task, but it would enable the work to be of the same quality as OEM.
This is an interesting subject, more input from the experienced would be a big plus.
Then, there are folders that meet certain requirements, often confused with binders.
Doyle
I basically have three different setups.
Straight folder is about inexpensive, generic, and works well most of the time. 3/4" and 1" are most common, but I do have 7/8" and 1-1/4 as well.
90 degree angle binder setup as close to the foot feed and plate without hitting on an easy to install/remove swing arm binder, CUSTOM setup guaranteed to work with your provided sample material, or it goes back to the suppler for adjustment. I stock 3/4" and 1", and neither is more popular than the other. Just need to know model machine for install. We have a lot of luck with this setup.
Same as above with custom foot feed and plate specific to your model. Would need model to give price, as Singer 111W is less than say Pfaff 1245 for parts. This is the strongest possible setup, but not good for people who need to do everything on one machine. This setup really is a dedicated binder, as people don't want to change out everything from job to job.
Gregg,
I saw one listed on your site. It said for straight work. I will be going around curves too, what's the difference? I would prefer to buy the $40 range binder if it will do what I want. I'm currently using a cheap upturn hemmer and it works fine...nothing fancy. PM or email me a link and pricing info if you get a chance. Thanks.
This is something similar to what I'm looking for
(https://forum.upholster.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv646%2FHDFlame%2FUpholstery%2Fth_Binderwithfeed.jpg&hash=2949b2bc0992d6e933dd33d21b0bee68) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v646/HDFlame/Upholstery/?action=view¤t=Binderwithfeed.jpg)
To apply binding like this:
(https://forum.upholster.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv646%2FHDFlame%2FUpholstery%2Fth_TopandBottomCollaretteBinder.jpg&hash=e241bcd738b50d99f846f2b49f757839) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v646/HDFlame/Upholstery/?action=view¤t=TopandBottomCollaretteBinder.jpg)
Now, who carries this type of binding? I'm hoping to buy from one of the suppliers on the site. Does Miami have it?.....Mike, anyone?? ;D
Quote from: hdflame on July 12, 2010, 10:43:58 am
Gregg,
I saw one listed on your site. It said for straight work. I will be going around curves too, what's the difference? I would prefer to buy the $40 range binder if it will do what I want. I'm currently using a cheap upturn hemmer and it works fine...nothing fancy. PM or email me a link and pricing info if you get a chance. Thanks.
Both are listed here; http://keysew.com/Specials.htm (http://keysew.com/Specials.htm)
BTW...everybody would prefer to pay $40! The 35 dollar jobbers work well for a lot of folks, and is usually OK for boat canvas.
Quote from: Gregg @ Keystone Sewing on July 12, 2010, 10:58:03 am
Quote from: hdflame on July 12, 2010, 10:43:58 am
Gregg,
I saw one listed on your site. It said for straight work. I will be going around curves too, what's the difference? I would prefer to buy the $40 range binder if it will do what I want. I'm currently using a cheap upturn hemmer and it works fine...nothing fancy. PM or email me a link and pricing info if you get a chance. Thanks.
Both are listed here; http://keysew.com/Specials.htm (http://keysew.com/Specials.htm)
BTW...everybody would prefer to pay $40! The 35 dollar jobbers work well for a lot of folks, and is usually OK for boat canvas.
I think we all look for the best deal that will also do the job. Even spending $40 on something that won't do the job, is money thrown away. I'm asking because I have no experience with any binder, cheap or expensive.
Not ever having used one, what makes the one that cost $250 more, better at binding curves? I don't really need the swing away attachment, and I assume the custom one is made to simply screw down to my machine with little or no adjustments on my part. And I'm sure that the more costly one is made better and will probably last longer. I'm just trying to understand, without the benefit of your experience, what the $40 won't do, that the $280 will??? Will the $40 one go around curves?
If anyone with experience using one could explain it to me, I would greatly appreciate it. ;D
I had a generic type folder and used it on my pfaff with no problems. It does take some adjusting but not a big deal. I also worked around curves and curved corners I just had to go slow. No comparison to working without one. Now I need to get one for the Consew.
Quote from: hdflame on July 12, 2010, 04:13:02 pm
If anyone with experience using one could explain it to me, I would greatly appreciate it. ;D
:D
Straight generic is good for straight work, and normally work pretty well. Lots of boat canvas folks get by just fine with these, and even if or when the time comes to buy the more expensive angle binder, nobody seems sorry they went with this generic straight binder to begin with.
Sunbrella or similar double fold binding material is stiff, and inherently does not conform to turns and curves well, and wants to 'lip up' around tight corners.
That said, you can still conform the binding to pretty tight turns and curves in your work, and this is where the angle binder seems to work best.
Again, there is no percentage or magic bullet to determine what binder to go with, and people who do the same work can't even agree on 3/4" or 1", and I sell these two popular sizes right down the middle.
Bobby , try the $35 one from greg in 1 in. A little easeir to keep it on the edge over the 3/4. You will like it. If you start doing a lot of covers and tops you'll find you want to upgrade to the swing away.
ive got the chepo generacs. Ive got a fancy angle binder but I just cant get a handle on it and how it folds it backwards ???
Quote from: Mike8560 on July 14, 2010, 06:33:48 pm
ive got the chepo generacs. Ive got a fancy angle binder but I just cant get a handle on it and how it folds it backwards ???
Funny you mention the angle binder. I was thinking about an angle binder because I heard they went around corners better.
Anybody else used both and have an opinion?
I've used both and I really like the right angle binder.
It's tricky at first, as are most binders, but once you get the feel for it, like what angle to hold the material passing through, it works like a charm.
I'll see if I can I can get some close up photos of my binder set-up on the Pfaff 545. In the mean time this is similar to the one I bought on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300393204473&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
I'm still working on making the 90° turn with this binder. I'm told it can be done but have yet to be able to pull off that maneuver with the ¾" binding. Straight edges and curves and super easy with the right angle binder.
The only problem is with the attached right angle binder vs. the "swing away" type of binder is that it ties up the Pfaff 545 strictly for binding purposes because it requires a different presser foot, throat plate and feed dog.
I really like using the Pfaff 545. It's a great old machine. It even has the large pulley and the 3450RPM motor. Just gotta handle her with care is all.
One other word about binding. Its a tedious job. I try to set aside time, sometimes a whole day, just to do binding. Even then you have to plan on things like the material getting away from the binder, running out of bobbin thread, tight curves, 90° turns, and the ever mysterious frayed thread even though everything else is working fine.
Jim
I do a great deal of binding work and I use the fold away binder. I have never had a problem with it and fabric / binding placement is easy. I like being able to move the binder away to the right when need be.
I sew so much binding that I simply unscrew the thumb screw and remove the binder and leave the frame attached to the machine.
This is the binder I bought. It is built very well and I have been happy with it. I have been using it now for a long time and have had no problems with it.
http://www.sailrite.com/Binder-3-4-Swing-Bracket# (http://www.sailrite.com/Binder-3-4-Swing-Bracket#)
I am not sure if you can get these on E-Bay nor do I know if Greg sells these and what his price is. I believe I ordered mine off e-bay but cannot remember for sure as its been a while since I have bought it. But it works perfect for me. BTW Bobby I bind a lot of corners and this fold away model works great.
Chris
Bobby:
I just ran across the box to my 1 " foldaway binder. It is Japanese made and is manufactured by Suisei.
The number on the box is A4s - 25 mm
It is very high quality and works perfect. I also found the receipt and I did buy it from Sailrite.
The price I paid was $ 69.
I do not know if Bob or Greg carries this particular model.
Hope that helps.
Chris
ive got one of thoose right angle binders like that chris on a swingaway arm. I just cant get used to it. I like my chepo binder like the one you shower on the sawing arm. only with my singer and juki bveing top load bobbins I can mount the binders on there owm plate and slide them on and off as needed quick and easy.