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Title: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 05, 2012, 07:31:30 am
I am looking for a zig zag head I can put on my table... I have a chandler/juki S241. 

Any suggestions on who to try...?   I know you guys are not fans of ebay, so I thought I would start here first. 

Any suggestions or opinions would help. 

  Thanks,
                 Ed
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: scarab29 on September 05, 2012, 09:36:48 am
What are you gonna do now ? Sails? Call Greg , se if he has anything used for starts.
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 05, 2012, 11:46:55 am
Yeah, I am gonna start working with sail material.  I have an idea, want to break into a different market.  Wish me luck. 
Plus I would like to use it for binding too.  My 3/4 binder is good but the zig zag would make it better.
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Peppy on September 05, 2012, 06:22:55 pm
OoooOOoo wait lemmie guess....kites!
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: gene on September 05, 2012, 07:49:03 pm
I've never bought from Bob/Toledo or Greg/Keystone but I have only heard wonderful things about them on this forum. Check out the Suppliers at the top of this page.

Sailrite.com has a lot of videos that may be helpful to you, and also materials for sails. I've never bought from them and I have heard a few negatives about their machines, but I would think they are doing something right. I do think they were misleading on their video about servo versus clutch motors for sewing machines. They sell the clutch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TcztyNlFx0

gene
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 06, 2012, 06:33:54 am
Quote from: Peppy on September 05, 2012, 06:22:55 pm
OoooOOoo wait lemmie guess....kites!


Not kites Pep,  kinda a like a nautical theme duffle bag with a twist.
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: scarab29 on September 06, 2012, 10:05:14 am
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/bfs/3231444268.html

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/atq/3213565962.html
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: scarab29 on September 06, 2012, 10:10:13 am
looks like theyre out there


http://newjersey.craigslist.org/app/3212946269.html
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 06, 2012, 10:53:55 am
WOW...Scarab,,,thank you man.  That singer looks like a winner for $450... 

This is a 2nd machine so the price is perfect...
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Peppy on September 06, 2012, 01:31:54 pm
Quote from: Highvelocity on September 06, 2012, 06:33:54 am
Not kites Pep,  kinda a like a nautical theme duffle bag with a twist.


Right on. I just thought it was funny, I'm thinking of zig zag stitches myself. But I'm thinking cheapo home machine for lightweight ripstop nylon. For this type of thing-

(https://forum.upholster.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1020.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faf328%2Fpeppypower%2Fkites%2Fth_LEUzc.jpg&hash=c6d6b3ef506a89b6ea45354d2eb672da) (http://s1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/peppypower/kites/?action=view&current=LEUzc.jpg)

...we'll see if I can't make myself a trolling kite.
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: needles eye on September 06, 2012, 07:20:00 pm
Hi

have a 20u it's a brilliant little machine. To change timing to run DP X 17 walking foot needle and V92 thread:

set machine needle[ by rotating wheel towards you] such that when needle is on left hand side zig the needle bar rod's top is about 7 mm of metal rod showing above the top needle bar mount, and, note the hook on the shuttle (round thing that goes around and it has two hooks adjacent each other on it) is at three o' clock and coming up to meet the needle.

So there's a little 8 or so mm bolt to adjust the needle bar. And, there are three little screws on the hook and shuttle assembly and you'll need to rotate with wheel to access all three.  Its crucial to adjust it with these screws so that the hook catches thread right place as it moves over and around but it's also important that it's adjusted / placed on the shaft and secondly adjusted in out horizontal direction too to catch all thread fully.

Try it out for heavier work, stronger needle means better punching power, 6 layers of 12 oz canvas easy. Great for small sails, catamaran trampolines and shadesail restitches.

Pep over here we fly bigger kites and get lotsa air over the water whilst strapped in with your harness to kite and feet to the  board ..  the guys use Bernina 217n machine with 12 mm cam attached to the back for the triple stitch gig. 

I've an old green Singer 319k (first auto machine made by them) for my triple stitch, earlier thrown out at Fremantle Sailing Club WA ..  and a cheapo Bernadette home machine offa Fleabay $50- for it's triple step too and for fun and games ..

Tight lines fellas, stay high, be cool, stitch straight, don't drop the scissors ..
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: scarab29 on September 07, 2012, 06:56:54 am
Thought it might be a good one , specially for a no 2 machine. Even if you had to have someone go through it for a couple hundred bucks looks like a winner.  8)
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 10, 2012, 06:18:11 am
Scarab,

     I took a look at singer for $450...It didn't sew, I think the timing on the hook was off.  So I am going to go in another direction.  Looking at the Sailrite LSZ-1 zig-zag...  It's portable, good features, zig zag, 3 position needle.  I think it will be a great 2nd machine...

Any opinions on the sailrite Lsz-1...?

  Ed

Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: brankin on September 11, 2012, 06:58:44 pm
I would buy the pfaff 238 before the sailrite.  I have both and the sailrite stays in the corner collecting dust.
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: cthomps on September 11, 2012, 08:37:53 pm
I have had the lsz-1 for a few years.  I was lucky to buy it used for 600.  I added the heavy wheel.  The machine owes me nothing and I have paid for it over and over with all the work I have been able to do with it.  The machine support from sailrite is really great.  I have pushed it a bit too hard, but had enough back up parts to be able to repair it.  There is also a video on how to fix common problems.  Very helpful at midnight!  I can not do heavy sail corner patches, but it will do several layers of 5oz Dacron.  I would buy this machine again and would even pay full price. Mostly because of the customer support, and the ability to order parts easily.  ps.  I ordered an extra foot and had a friend cut a channel in it so I could see where the needle punctures.  When I replace leather coat zips, I need to see the holes.  Works great and have never put the other foot back on. Hope this helps.  Carol
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 12, 2012, 01:41:07 pm
Cthomps,

   Thanks for the feedback, I don't plan to push the machine that hard but the support is nice to have I'm sure.



Brankin, I have a main heavy duty machine (Juki) for straight stiching that will blow through anything I want.  But I need the zig zag for some repair and light projects.  I understand about having the extra fire power but it's now necessary with this one...

Thank you,
   Ed
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: mroy559 on September 19, 2012, 02:50:04 am
Thought it will be a good one, specially for just a no only two machine. Even though you had to possess someone undergo it for just a couple 100 bucks seems as if a champion.
Title: Re: Zig Zag HEAD
Post by: Highvelocity on September 19, 2012, 05:42:19 am
mroy559,   We just got the sailrite and I am happy with it.  Plenty of power with the reduction gearing.  Walking foot works very well...  I like the control at the low RPM's.  In my opinion its an all around good machine. 

That being said, I felt more comfortable re-stitching a full boat cover with my juki.  It's got the power to really zing through the long runs quickly...