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Title: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: bobbin on July 02, 2010, 07:41:29 am
Part of what keeps me working in this trade is that it can be very creative.   Sometimes is in an aesthetic aspect, other times it's because technical challenges inspire creative solutions. 
1.)  How important is the creative aspect of your work to you?
2.)  How do you keep the creative spirit alive when faced with "from the neck down" rote jobs?
3.)  Do you think that creativity is important, at all?
4.)  Do you attend workshops/classes to keep yourselves "current" and interested in what's going on in our trade/field? 
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: R.A.F. CaNvAs on July 02, 2010, 01:33:05 pm

1) yes... I like hearing what the owners want ( would like ) and then making something outstanding,  A quote from the tv  " You're going to like the way looks I guarantee it" .
2) switch from design to looking to make the systems swifter and make the boring things as fast as possible..
3)Hmm..... Kinda like translating the laymens thinking (owners) and then making a product  that is far better and easier to make and use...
4)... O hell no , it's only girls work , playing with fabric when all said and done , I do tend to look at others work with my critical eye, ( the left one the other one is lazy and makes me look like Marty  Feldman) ....
Good questions  Bobbin, It had me quite self concious there for a moment....  ::)
Why do I do what I do ...... just for the $
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: sofadoc on July 02, 2010, 03:48:28 pm
I keep my creative juices flowing by trying to improve my methods in a way that is more efficient, and therefore, more profitable. But as far as getting creative with the actual work itself, that part of me died years ago.
Thankfully, most of my customer's ideas of being creative are something simple like rounding a squared arm on a sofa, or changing the style of skirt.
Or maybe mixing several different fabrics on the same piece.
After 30 years, I no longer encourage creativity, especially if is going to cut into my profit on a job.
If it sounds like I don't enjoy my work, believe me, nothing could be further from the truth. But it is hard to get enthused about being creative when the customer is furnishing some cheap "factory seconds" crap.
Occasionally, I still get jazzed on an upscale job, but those are fewer, and farther between these days.
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: JuneC on July 02, 2010, 07:01:21 pm
1) very important.  But I've only been doing this for 6 years.  If I didn't get to be creative I'd be sitting in an office counting beans (corporate IT refugee with Accounting degree).  Boats are way more fun.
2) I keep my eye on the prize -the NEXT job where I get to be creative.
3) Absolutely. But it's disappointing when some boat owner chooses smooth white on white on white for upholstery when there are SO many options.  Luckily, there are loads of boat makes/models out there so just learning how they're constructed is interesting in itself.  For instance, Formula impresses the heck out of me with their upholstery techniques.
4) Wish I had time.  When I do get a few minutes off, I like to veg in front of the TV and snooze.  I'm really getting tired of the 60 hour weeks.

June
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: seamsperfect on July 02, 2010, 08:17:04 pm
I try to be creative hence the name "Creative Options".  I approach my prospect as a consultant, instead of selling the customer.  I give them a number of options then let them decide from there.  I have always done design and my degree is in Architecture, so it is a way to express my style.
Kevin
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: baileyuph on July 02, 2010, 08:56:03 pm
1.  Very important, staying in business and maintaining the quality of service expected today makes this issue very important.  Staying on our toes is essential and does require thinking outside the box.

2.  To make it in business one has to give every service rendered its due attention.  Competition can drive this virtue.

3.  It is so important, success depends on creativity becoming routine.  It becomes intuitive.

4.  If you care, no opportunities are overlooked.  They come in many forms.

Doyle
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: fragged8 on July 03, 2010, 04:30:00 am
hiya


I want to be creative and i get the chance occasionally
but i am still finding my way making some money.

Getting experience is the name of the game for me at the moment
and getting more experience make the job more relaxed. AS i'm getting
better i find i can start to play.

Mind you it takes a while to be comfortable doing things you wouldn't
normally do without messing the job up.

so far i've been to the US twice to train and hopefully will be coming back again
for some more training, i'm always happy to learn new ways or better ways of doing
things. Which is where this forum is such a valuable resource .

Without this forum I am sure I would have wasted far more material   ;D

you guys rock

Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: bobbin on July 03, 2010, 05:39:18 am
Good thoughts from all, and thanks for your insight.  My question was precipitated by my present work situation.  I am a very creative person and presently find my job offers little to no outlet for it, which makes me sad and rather sucks the fun out of the work. 

I particularly like coming up with a faster, more fool-proof way to do things, too!  It's a holdover from my days workin' piece rate where accuracy and speed paid off in paychecks. 

And like you, June, I often wish customers allowed themselves to "walk on the wild side" more than they do.  I also wish my boss wasn't so convinced that style and taste begin and end on the boss's desk, lol.  That belief even trickles over into my own projects... "Why do you want to do that?" , "Oh I wouldn't do that if I were you; I think that's a little too over the top and won't look good in a few years".  Know what? I still love the fancy valence and tassels on my bay window awning! and I still love fringe on awning valences!

I've never attended any workshops on techniques or trade shows but would really love to.  I think that will be my goal for the coming year.  I need to get a couple of trade publications, I think.  Those that come to the shop are usually whisked away before I'm able to look at them.   :<
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: Mojo on July 03, 2010, 08:38:16 am
I get so bored sewing solar screens for RV's that my brain screams for something creative.

Once my chemo regimen slows down and I get this upholstery shop finished I am going to start on a creative project - making a leather chair ( so I can dump this recliner ). I want to pattern it after out leather couch ( same style, etc. ). I have a full blown woodshop I want to put to use so I will make the frame as well.

I do have a couple motorcycle seats sitting there waiting for me that came off my buddies Indian. That should allow me to get some creative juices flowing.

I did my boats interior a year and a half ago and did all the design work and patterns and I loved it. I had a ball laying out the designs and putting it all together. I would love a job like that again.

But, sewing these solar screens drives me nuts. Boring, straight forward and no chance to get creative. If I didn't have such a high profit margin with them I would never sew another one again. :)

Chris
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: sofadoc on July 03, 2010, 09:48:11 am
After reading some of these posts, I think that I might have mis-spoke in saying that I no longer feel a creative urge. After all, no 2 sofas are the same, so I guess that my creative itch gets scratched without me even realizing it. And I do a fair amount of re-styling on furniture. I guess that some of you boat & canvas guys and gals do have to contend with more repetitive stuff.
Bobbin: After being my own boss for nearly 3 decades, there's NO WAY I could work for a boss like the one you've described in your recent threads.
I hope  it is possible someday for you to "hang out your own shingle".
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: bobbin on July 03, 2010, 10:10:46 am
Boss is a good person, Sofa..  Just doesn't have much in the way of a clue about the importance of creativity and allowing the worker bees a chance to quarterback their own projects.  For someone like me, it's downright irksome, for most... not a problem, at all.  ;)

Not sure how to move from a very comfortable job  to the far riskier provence of "self -employment"... would like to segue with sub-contacting (bring on the 1099) but am not sure that would be welcomed.  Boss is already suspicious about my pursuit of slipcover work and "outside" cushion work. 
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: fragged8 on July 04, 2010, 01:40:43 am
hiya

here's a tip for ya.

If you want to see some creativity in tops take a visit the your local store that sells
baby buggies and prams .

We have mothercare stores here, when my wife was expecting i took lots of photos
of the buggies ( do you call them strollers ?)

the sun shades on them are exactly the same as European dodgers but the designs and
variations are amazing, it wouldn't be hard to incorporate some of the designs into
other styles of cover. I like the ones that use mesh to make openings and pockets.
some of them are really funky .

Rich
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: JuneC on July 04, 2010, 05:57:32 pm
Richard, ever look at Iverson's dodgers?  www.iversondesign.com  Now that's some work...  I wanna be that good when I grow up.  :o

June
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: fragged8 on July 06, 2010, 05:49:46 am
hi June

y i found them a while ago, they are the dog's dangly bits   :o

I did sit down one afternoon to try and work out how they made them so good,

Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: baileyuph on July 06, 2010, 06:15:42 am
Quotethey are the dog's dangly bits   






That is a new expression to me Richard, I am wondering how you are using it?  Is that one safe to explain?

:)

Doyle
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: PDQ on July 06, 2010, 06:42:56 am
Quote from: fragged8 on July 06, 2010, 05:49:46 am
hi June

y i found them a while ago, they are the dog's dangly bits   :o

I did sit down one afternoon to try and work out how they made them so good,




The mutts nuts? Nah, that means an element of sag. Now if you said 'pukka', I would agree. ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: Peppy on July 06, 2010, 07:01:30 pm
Quote from: JuneC on July 04, 2010, 05:57:32 pm
www.iversondesign.com


*sigh*

Makes me feel like I make potato sacks. I think people in my area need to make more money, so they can buy prettier dodgers from me.

*sigh*

(but your link is wrong....http://www.iversonsdesign.com/)
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: bobbin on July 07, 2010, 01:50:08 pm
I haven't made a dodger in 11 years.  And they were fun to make, too!  I miss that part it.  What a great link and what fun to see how creative and precise marine canvas can be!  (needed to see that after a crummy day at work, but now it only underscores what pit and backwater I work in, lol). 

My query about "1099ing me" was met with outright refusal this morning.  What a surprise. 

Time "To get busy livin' or get busy dyin'", I guess.   This in between crap is basically nowhere'sville. 
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: sofadoc on July 07, 2010, 03:53:22 pm
I looked into the 1099 thing on an employee of mine once, I was told that if I had to supervise the employee as he did his work, then he didn't qualify as sub-contract labor. Seems like it would benefit your boss, because he wouldn't have to pay unemployment insurance.
Does the work that you take in at home compete with the shop, or is it work that your shop doesn't do anyway? I had a furniture guy working for me that also did auto trim on the side. Not only did I approve, I was thrilled that he could supplement his income from another source besides my pocketbook. Guess your boss has his reasons.
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: bobbin on July 07, 2010, 05:13:50 pm
I have been sewing professionally for over 30 yrs. now.  I hail from the ranks of garment work... several years in a strict production setting (hence my exposure and comfort level with varied types of machinery), and before that I worked for a tailor.  I can measure your body, draft a pattern and make you a sport coat and I can work on your fur coat, too.  I've always had a variety of industrial machinery in my own shop here at home (it's a disease with me).  I cut my teeth on drapery work by making all the draperies in our home, then moving on to smaller outside jobs.  I did the same thing with cushion work and slipcovers.   I fell into marine and awning work 18 yrs. ago on a referral from a mechanic friend of mine... I wasn't afraid of commercial sewing machines and the guy needed someone to stitch.  I was it. 

I've never pulled any punches with my prior employers about the fact that I work from home part time.  Technically, there is some overlap with work I do "in the shop" and work I do "at home"; but since I've worked from home longer than I've been employed "in the shop" and I pointedly avoid awning and marine work at home I feel no conflict of interest.  I suspect, though, that that's at the crux of the issue for the overbearing "clamp down" and the refusal to allow me a inch of creativity or participation aside from guiding fabric under the needle.

But, you can't 1099 someone if you can't write up a comprehensive work order with adequate specifications (the way they do in factories when they do production runs). 
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: JuneC on July 08, 2010, 06:07:45 am
There might be another reason for refusing the 1099 thing.  The IRS is cracking down right now on companies that don't pay the correct payroll taxes - 1099 being one way of avoiding those.  One of the things they're looking for is any company that has employees who turn into 1099 contractors.  It's an open invite for an audit at the moment.  This might not be your situation, but it is happening. 

June
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: bobbin on July 08, 2010, 12:50:12 pm
Excellent point, June!

But all the IRS has to do is pull the records of the 1099d "employeee".  If the "employee" hasn't paid their taxes (as they're required!) then the jig is up.  But if the 1099d produces the records, there's no problem. 
 
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: Mike8560 on July 09, 2010, 07:18:57 pm
Quote from: Mojo on July 03, 2010, 08:38:16 am

But, sewing these solar screens drives me nuts. Boring, straight forward and no chance to get creative.

Chris
I love a good booring job every so oftem not having to think about what im sewing I can just sitt there zipping along thinking about smthing else or somplace else without a problem sitting in front of me. ;)
Title: Re: Let's talk about creativity (or not)
Post by: Mojo on July 10, 2010, 09:06:23 am
Quote from: Mike8560 on July 09, 2010, 07:18:57 pm
Quote from: Mojo on July 03, 2010, 08:38:16 am

But, sewing these solar screens drives me nuts. Boring, straight forward and no chance to get creative.

Chris
I love a good booring job every so oftem not having to think about what im sewing I can just sitt there zipping along thinking about smthing else or somplace else without a problem sitting in front of me. ;)


And I know exactly what your thinking of Mike when you have those moments. Your thinking of being out on the boat somewhere in the Gulf catching fish. :)

Not a bad thought to have. :)

Chris