hi guys
this is for those of you who pattern with dots..
I haven't used this method much at all and might have patterned my self into a corner,
even though it has worked for me before.
I marked all the bows and centers and added double dots to the bows where the
radius flats out into the straight. At the windscreen between two of the fittings I put just one dot .
this is wrong isn't it .. ?
how are the dots placed at the screen ? one above the other or following the window frame angle ?
is it best to run a window line tape from frames to windscreen and mark the dots either side of the tape at the screen ?
If I'm rolling you rich your talking where say three front windows will seperate with a zipper To mark the joint seam ect. I just mark a line where the intersection is then in most cases I pattern one front window piece and mark the pattern with theese line for seperation when making my window panels. A line on the frame and a line between the snaps on the windshield frame with tape of course to mark on.
Hiya
Not really Mike, here's some pics. Its a nasty little boat but the hood is typical of the local
hoods. I couldn't persuade the customer to have a convertible top.
I have marked the positions I put the dots and how many.
I also marked the front bow because it is giving me grief, it is a short little bow just supporting
the long span from the tallest bow to the screen, i want to pattern as if it wasn't there but if I put
it in position i need to put some darts in the top. you can see the old top doesn't have darts there.
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Hi Rich;
I pattern usually using the dot method.
If I read you correct, then I believe you need two dots there. As you know, the two dots are usually space an inch apart and determine the spacing for the top and the side curtains. The bottom dot determines where the top goes down to and the top for the s/c overlap (or should I say "underlap"? ;D )
So, if this is the case, then you need to determine if the dot you made was for the top or the curtain (or, did you just mark an intersection??) then adjust your pattern accordingly...
-Howard-
hiya
Thanks for that , i marked only one dot and then messed up on the pattern
by not adjusting for it . Grrrrrrrrr
i guess im going back to pattern again tomorrow ..
rich
Nice explanation Howard! I think maybe I understand the dot method a little now. So you could space the dots 8" apart say, and have an 8" 'underlap'? Thats cool.
I pattern also with the DOT method. Two dots for sure, 1" apart. Makes life very easy.
As for the front bow, pattern it separately. Tape it in position where you want it and pattern one piece from the tall bow to the small one. And then from the small bow to the window or windscreen as you call it. Mark each of the two dots on each panel on the bows and at the boat. They will overlay like a puzzle.
I have found that patterning each piece of the top individually works much better than trying to span all the bows with one piece of plastic. And, it doesn't take much longer to do it that way.
hiya
I've just been going through my MCFA dvd's and they use dots 1/2 " apart . I was using 1"
so i've been drawing it out and made a sample piece, i figure I need 2 dots all over.
Because this is a pram hood and the rear curtain does not remove ( it has a walk through opening ) I also need to put 2 dots on the hull at the stern, not just one.
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I've been getting away with it because it in my ignorance i've been using dots to pattern the top and then returning with the new top and patterning the doors separately, so i got away with it until now
Also I think that i'm going to pattern the new one forgetting the tiny bow at the front, you can see in the pic ( scroll up ) that there is no join in the panel there, I'll pattern as one panel then lift the bow into position to mark for pockets. its a 60" span so needs the little bow.
do tell me if this sounds like i'm wrong
Hi Rich. I started with those dvd's too and found the 1/2" to be too small of an overlap. I switched to 1" and it's much better.
how do you place your zippers ?
with 1/2 they fall on the top edge of the door with the teeth showing, and on the top if i sew 1 1/2 inch reinforcement the edge of the zipper sews right along the top edge of the reinforcement .
rich
Quote from: fragged8 on June 11, 2010, 05:47:28 am
hiya
I've just been going through my MCFA dvd's and they use dots 1/2 " apart . I was using 1"
so i've been drawing it out and made a sample piece, i figure I need 2 dots all over.
Because this is a pram hood and the rear curtain does not remove ( it has a walk through opening ) I also need to put 2 dots on the hull at the stern, not just one.
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I've been getting away with it because it in my ignorance i've been using dots to pattern the top and then returning with the new top and patterning the doors separately, so i got away with it until now
Also I think that i'm going to pattern the new one forgetting the tiny bow at the front, you can see in the pic ( scroll up ) that there is no join in the panel there, I'll pattern as one panel then lift the bow into position to mark for pockets. its a 60" span so needs the little bow.
do tell me if this sounds like i'm wrong
That sounds ok Rich, yes if it is a straight run between the front & second pole. should be fine. IMOP :P
I also prefer a bigger overlap ;D 1" is good :D
hiya
Thanks Grebo
does that mean you guys are using 2" reinforcement so that the zipper follows the top edge of the reinforcement ?
rich
Rich. I have never used that reinforcement like the video shows, and I have never had a problem.
With 1" overlap, I set the zipper on the window with only the teeth exposed, and I set the zipper tape on the top at 2" from the edge of the top.
Joe
Hiya
Thanks for that Grebo and Joe
So if you guys are making a 1" over lap with 1" apart dots that means you're all using a 2" finished reinforcement tape right ?
Because I'm using 1 1/2" reinforcement 1" apart dots wouldn't work. but i can always cut some tabling.
I made some test pieces and a 1" overlap with 11/2" reinforcement means the zipper half on the door has to be sewn too far down covering the zip by about 1/2"
rich
I normally cut 2" reinforcement strips, and/or 2 1/2" canvas if I am binding the edge or 3" with out binding & turn both edges under. I have just ordered some pre cut 2" pvc for reinforcing that's gota save loads of time.... I hope.... ;D
Quote from: regalman190 on June 11, 2010, 07:26:19 am
Rich. I have never used that reinforcement like the video shows, and I have never had a problem.
With 1" overlap, I set the zipper on the window with only the teeth exposed, and I set the zipper tape on the top at 2" from the edge of the top.
Joe
Me, same as Joe... and definitely need one inch overlap
hiya
you didn't fancy trying the slit tape then ?
rich
I bought the whole tape set from the Florida school and didn't see anything about two dots. I just mark one dot on my frames and all I do is allow for the overlap when cutting my patterns on the table.
Me too, Mike. But then it's easier with a one-man/woman shop. I don't have to communicate my patterning marks or methods with anyone but myself. I've also learned to make lots of notes on the pattern if it'll sit for a week or more before I can get around to the fabrication.
June
Quote from: fragged8 on June 11, 2010, 11:27:40 am
hiya
you didn't fancy trying the slit tape then ?
rich
Yes I did, but they had already sent my order ::) I will add it to the next one.
Quote from: Mike8560 on June 11, 2010, 04:59:04 pm
I bought the whole tape set from the Florida school and didn't see anything about two dots. I just mark one dot on my frames and all I do is allow for the overlap when cutting my patterns on the table.
It's just the two dots either side of the tape. Above & below.
It took me ages to master the dot method, but once my Mum showed me how to do it correctly, it was easy:
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:D cheeky
thats exactly how Don Wedge says he came up with it :D
Rich
sorry fellas, I'm seeing spots ....
If it's tight it's right ...yeah and if it's too tight , it's short !
Damn I wish I knew what I was doing then perhaps I could charge more,
Doh !
hey
person from the north, i don't believe i saw an introduction or a hiya ?
you do know Twat can be taken as offensive over here in the UK don't you ?
Anyway, how about letting us know what you do and where you are ?
maybe post up some pics ? we love pics here.
Rich
Quote from: fragged8 on June 16, 2010, 04:09:35 pm
hey
you do know Twat can be taken as offensive over here in the UK don't you ?
I was thinking the same thing ::)
hiya
hehe just seen your avtar ;D no need to end it all m8 ..
That was taken at fort desoto park on Tampa bay rich i couldn't resist
I wanted to ask about that mike. interesting pic
Quote from: Twat of the North on June 16, 2010, 02:18:09 pm
If it's tight it's right ...yeah and if it's too tight , it's short !
Oooo! I like it! It's like; I cut it twice and it's still to short!
Quote from: fragged8 on June 16, 2010, 04:09:35 pm
you do know Twat can be taken as offensive over here in the UK don't you ?
Wow, different cultures sure are amazing! Here in Canada 'twat' is just another word for 'vagina'
hiya
well it is here too but it's also used to insult someone you
really don't like..
Like using the C word really, I don't mind cussing but i hate that one
Me too, Rich. And I curse like a sailor most of the time - not ladylike, but goes with the territory. But, he's disappeared. Seemed legit at first. Hey guy from the North, where are you?
June
- I have subscribed this thread for further referance.
Regards
Richard
If your looking for more words for 'vagina' I think I should email them to you privately. (smileyface)
hiya
I dont mind a lady swearing at times June :-)
In a former life i worked in factories and there's not much worse than
factory girls, except fish factory girls .. they really know how to cuss :D
rich
QuoteThat was taken at fort desoto park on Tampa bay rich i couldn't resist
That's hillarious. I've had days where I felt like that LOL. Maybe it';s just as well I only worked on the little guns (105 mm). My head wouldn't fit. 8)
Sheesh...l am off line for a few weeks and the forum has gone to the potty.
June..l just can't believe that bad words come out of your mouth....
Dave
Hi Dave wherr have you been sailing?
Hey Mike, we were down to Key West again..flew this time...were doing a bit of sailing and some snorkeling..off today to cottage country to set a mooring for a friends sailboat then back on Friday to do some work to pay for it all.
Dave
Quoteoff today to cottage country
Funny; that's what we call the area around Kenora Ontario.
If you're in my hood while I'm stuck here in Brandon Mb (nephew's grad sat.) I'm gonna spew.
Quotewere doing a bit of sailing and some snorkeling
??? I thought you were P.A.D.I certified ??? If conditions down there are all they say they are I'd be air on demand or bust!
Some really interesting posts and then the whole topic did a 180° turn.
I like using vinyl, like weblon or herculite for reinforcement where the zipper will be.
It's been a fun read!
Jim