If you use 5/32, is it expected that after your layers of fabric that you will end up at 1/4"?
That's probably a good question Buick, but I fail to see why it matters. Except that a 1/4" foot is used.
I have often wondered the same thing. 5/32 is an odd fraction. Why not just round it down to 1/8?
Then what would we call 4/32 welt cord?
I think they refer to the welt cord sizes as 4/32, 5/32, 6/32, and so on because many people don't know their fractions very well, and would not know which is bigger if they were called 1/8, 5/32, 3/16.
Quote from: MinUph on May 17, 2017, 07:29:11 pm
Then what would we call 4/32 welt cord?
Good point. The funny thing is a 32nd of an inch is small, so small most rulers don't even show it. You would think there would be no visible difference between 4/32 and 5/32. But there is.
I use 4/32 jute welt cord because that's what Merv Kunutson used in his videos on "Secrets of Upholstery", which is where I learned to make welt cord. And also because it's cheaper than cotton 4/32 and cotton 5/32. It works fine with most fabrics.
I also use cotton 5/32 because it works best with thin fabric and is smooth. Jute welt cord can have lumps in it sometimes.
My welt cord foot is 1/4, not 8/32.
gene
Quote from: gene on May 18, 2017, 06:16:30 am
I use 4/32 jute welt cord because that's what Merv Kunutson used in his videos on "Secrets of Upholstery", which is where I learned to make welt cord. And also because it's cheaper than cotton 4/32 and cotton 5/32. It works fine with most fabrics.
I also use cotton 5/32 because it works best with thin fabric and is smooth. Jute welt cord can have lumps in it sometimes.
I'm strictly a fiber-flex welt guy myself. I just built a new rack behind my sewing machine that holds 5/32, 6/32, 8/32, and 10/32 as well as 4/32 and 5/32 double welt, and 3 colors of zipper.
(https://forum.upholster.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi775.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy33%2Fsofadoc%2Fth_DSC05782.jpg&hash=edc4265e93c4e49f9cda730fa1dc2d7f) (http://s775.photobucket.com/user/sofadoc/media/DSC05782.jpg.html)
Nice job Sofa. Looks like you built a bench on top too. Inspires me to do the same.
sofaD, when would you use 10/32 welt cord? I assume you have a welt foot for that size also?
Thanks,
gene
Quote from: gene on May 18, 2017, 06:33:37 pm
sofaD, when would you use 10/32 welt cord? I assume you have a welt foot for that size also?
Very rare that I use it. I only have that size because I acquired it when I bought another shop out.
In addition to 3/16, 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 inch welt feet, I also have metric sizes up to 10 mm.
The 10 mm comes in handy for sewing braided rope into pillows.
In perspective, the mix of measurement units English/Metric is expected because the sewing devices/equipment was often developed in Europe and used heavily in other countries - for example those measuring in English units.
If I read correctly - time ago - The Singer was largely developed in Europe but here, more often thought to be entirely an English invention. Nope.
So, both measuring systems are as expected, referenced in both measuring systems (English/metric).
Proceeding regarding "Why is 5/32 in. used" it is spot on to 4.0 MM. That is the conversion between the two out to about 5 or 6 decimal places on the metric (MM to Inch).
So, with this understanding different countries with different measurements can effectively use feet or supplies presented in either system. Getting accustomed to working in both systems helps.
Doyle
Doyle, thank you for that. Now, what is the best foot to use for 4mm?
I just wish USA will give it up and go metric. Look back to the '70s and everyone we'd be there in 10 years.
I do some woodwork in metric, just because. What I've learned is to just give up imperial and think in metric. Worse if I have three tape measures with imperial and metric on them. One reads in cm, the other in mm, and the third m and cm. For example, at 110 cm, the first reads 110, the second 1100, and the third 10 (an look left for the 1m mark). I finally gave up and just bought a metric only and use it alone. I guess we have similar issues with imperial between a carpenter's tape and a cabinetmaker's tape. One will read 7'2" and the other 84". I did a job last year spec'd by an architect, all the cabinets, furniture, and wainscoting was in feet and inches -- drove me nuts to make a table 2'10" tall, Whaaaa? How about 34?
That is to think in metric you never ask yourself "just how many mm is a quarter inch?" Darn it, it needs to be about 6 mm. Contrary to this was some of the thinking in the '70s like road signs that read "Columbus 67 miles 100 KM" or recipes that read "10.24 g baking powder" Really, when was the last time you saw a recipe that said 1.318 tsp baking powder?"
I agree that metric ( or the obscure base 10 imperial) is far simpler to work in, but I still have not gotten into it for wood working. On the other hand I used to hate getting measurements in inches when I was making shoes. (2/3 of 9 7/8"= ?). And yes it is 34" NOT 2' 10".
I,m a hybrid when it comes to metric. I had just learned metric in high school when Canada adopted it and have no problems using it --- but some things don't change. Because our roads where all laid out in miles I drive 100 km/hr for 5 miles south and 3 miles east to buy a pound of bacon (454 gram) and a litre of milk.
An easy temperature conversion chart:
0 degrees Fahrenheit = really cold
100 degrees Fahrenheit = really hot
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0 degrees Celsius = fairly cold
100 degrees Celsius = dead
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0 degrees Kelvin = dead
100 degrees Kelvin = dead
You guys are extremely silly.
We just got a shipment in of 10,000 ft of 5/32 welt cord. It is called spline or polyrod in the awning business. It looks like welt cord but is actually solid, stiffer and can handle outdoors environment.
To add to all this confusion some of our spline suppliers use decimals instead of fractions. .22 spline, etc.
The fractions measurement drives my mathematician wife nuts. Adding to it is the fact she is an Aussie and grew up with the metric system. Many disagreements have occurred over metric / standard and I have to admit the metric way of measuring is quicker and easier.
Our customers though all order awnings using inches so she has adapted the standard way of measurement. I myself have been caught using a metric tape measure from time to time though. :)
Chris
Quote from: sofadoc on May 18, 2017, 07:13:13 am
Quote from: gene on May 18, 2017, 06:16:30 am
I use 4/32 jute welt cord because that's what Merv Kunutson used in his videos on "Secrets of Upholstery", which is where I learned to make welt cord. And also because it's cheaper than cotton 4/32 and cotton 5/32. It works fine with most fabrics.
I also use cotton 5/32 because it works best with thin fabric and is smooth. Jute welt cord can have lumps in it sometimes.
I'm strictly a fiber-flex welt guy myself. I just built a new rack behind my sewing machine that holds 5/32, 6/32, 8/32, and 10/32 as well as 4/32 and 5/32 double welt, and 3 colors of zipper.
(https://forum.upholster.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi775.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy33%2Fsofadoc%2Fth_DSC05782.jpg&hash=edc4265e93c4e49f9cda730fa1dc2d7f) (http://s775.photobucket.com/user/sofadoc/media/DSC05782.jpg.html)
sofadoc: Do you use the fiber-flex over the polyrod because it is easier to work with? I have seen the polyrod for cheaper but I have also found the FF to be much easier to work with around corners. I'm thinking I might go that way in the future. Nice set up, by the way.
A few years ago a guy (presumably "Bob") came up with "Bob's Rule" with 24 Bobs to an inch. Why? 24 is evenly divisible by 2,3,4,6, and 12.
Of course, if we were really smart, we'd adopt the ancient Arabic number system, base 60, like we have for degrees of a circle, minutes, and seconds. Why? Evenly divisible by 2,3,5,6,10,15, 20, 30.
There are 10 types of people -- those that understand binary and those that don't.
And now this subject has gone π off topic.
Quote from: 65Buick on May 21, 2017, 04:04:12 pm
sofadoc: Do you use the fiber-flex over the polyrod because it is easier to work with?
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "polyrod". I assume you're talking about some type of foam welt?
I only do furniture, so I never use any kind of foam welt. If I did do automotive, I probably would use it.
But yes, I like the way fiberflex welt behaves around corners. It's just stiff enough to hold it's shape without being too stiff.
Currently, I pay $23 for a 500 yd. roll of 5/32 FF.
sofadoc I was going by what Mojo said. I'm talking about the solid plastic welt.
$23? geesh that's cheap.